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re: Best Player in the NBA right now
Posted on 8/14/11 at 4:13 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 8/14/11 at 4:13 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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D. Wade is clearly a better player than Lebron.
How? With his inferior passing, shooting, and defense in comparison to Lebron? I am just wondering why you think this.
Wade is a better passer, IMO and of course above all else, you'd trust Wade with the ball over LeBron. That's not even really a debate anymore. Sad that when you have a budding rivalry that the mentally weak decide to just to join forces instead.
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Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:09 am to RonBurgundy
Last season it was Dirk, period.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:06 am to bomber77
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:09 am to BIGDAB
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the fact that Melo is not in the top five lets me know you have know idea what you are talking about.
you would have really hated the threads last year when it was decided melo is in the top 13-18 range and is highly overrated in the media
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:34 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Lebron is the most efficient and best player in the NBA.
Yeah he's great if you only look at his box scores against the bottom half of teams in the East.
However, this notion that LeBron is an elite defender is just plain stupid. 6'2 170 Jason Terry styled all over his arse in the Finals. He was rendered useless by guys like DeShawn Stevenson, Shawn Marion, and The Custodian.
LeBron is a great player to have if you want to throw up stats, but he's not going to win you an NBA title being the lead guy. He's like what A-Rod was before he joined the Yankees. Hell just look at his disappearing act in the 4th quarter of the Finals this year. The so-called best player in the league straight disappeared when the greats of the game would have stepped up and at least tried to win the game for his team. He kept differing.
His post game is utterly pathetic for a guy with his size, strength, speed, and quickness. He's bigger and stronger than ever other 1-3 in the league and even some of the 4's. He's quicker and faster than every 4-5 in the league. There is no reason - given his athletic ability alone - that he shouldn't score on at least 55% of his iso/post-up situations. I could understand if he was still in his first 3 years in the league, but 8 years in and he still doesn't have more than an average post-up game.
If people would take a step back and really analyze his game, they'd know that his actual basketball skills - minus his passing - are nothing more than above average. He gets by so much on just being a better athlete than everyone else. He's lazy and has no mental toughness. That probably extends from the fact that he received one of the highest endorsement deals in sports history before he ever played his first professional game. He's been pampered and has had his arse kissed by fan boys and PER lovers for years and even the media has been in his backpocket for years.
Unless LeBron actually dedicates himself to the game and learns to develop his skills, He'll just go down as the greatest pure athlete to play the game of basketball while also looking like Red Foxx.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:36 am to BIGDAB
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So, did you think if Miami had Carmelo instead of Lebron would they be poppin bottles instead of Dalls?
They would have been eliminated before the Finals; probably against Boston.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:37 am to SandStorm
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LeBron is the best athlete in the NBA, but outside of his passing, none of his skills are really that impressive (relatively-speaking)
He is solid all around and the most versatile player in the NBA. His only real weakness is he could be a better post player. the people that say he doesn't have skills just blindly follow stupid commentator talking points like Skip Bayless.
Also DWade is Lebron lite. The only reason he shined more in the finals is because if their roles were reversed Wade wouldn't have been able to play off the ball even as effectively as Lebron.
If Kobe had to play with Wade Kobe would also play off the ball because Wade isn't as good at it.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:57 am to SandStorm
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LeBron is a great player to have if you want to throw up stats, but he's not going to win you an NBA title being the lead guy. He's like what A-Rod was before he joined the Yankees.
worst analogy ever
you can't compare baseball players to guys who play sports with actual teamwork
and, teams win titles, not players
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His post game is utterly pathetic for a guy with his size, strength, speed, and quickness.
he just started working on it, so i wouldn't expect him to have an elite post game. how many 26 year old perimeter players have elite post games?
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If people would take a step back and really analyze his game, they'd know that his actual basketball skills - minus his passing - are nothing more than above average.
his ballhandling for being 6-9 is amazing, and he's a really good midrange shooter
he's developing his 3 point shot, too
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He's lazy and has no mental toughness.
if he's so lazy then why has he systematically improved his game over the course of his career?
people said he needed to play defense, so he is may be the most versatile and best perimeter defender in the NBA
people said he needed to learn how to shoot, so he's one of the best midrange shooters in the NBA
etc etc etc
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:58 am to Colonel Flagg
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Also DWade is Lebron lite.
exactly
wade has the same weaknesses of lebron, and he's not as good at what both are good at
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:06 am to Colonel Flagg
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He is solid all around and the most versatile player in the NBA. His only real weakness is he could be a better post player. the people that say he doesn't have skills just blindly follow stupid commentator talking points like Skip Bayless.
He's a jack of all trades but a master of none.
He's not an elite rebounder.
He's not an elite 3-point shooter.
He's not an elite post-up man.
He's not an elite mid range shooter.
He's not an elite defender.
He's not an elite closer.
He's not an elite ball handler (handler, not passer, there is a difference).
So outside of his passing, which he is probably the best at for his position, he is below average to above-average at everything else.
I know someone will put some PER out of their arse, but that's like pulling a pitcher's win/loss record and WHIP out and saying those are the definitive measures of a player's skills. PER doesn't measure defense. It doesn't measure clutch. It doesn't measure your impact on your opponent's performance. It really is just a way of measuring how impressive a players box score is rather than measuring how impressive his play was.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:08 am to SandStorm
You have definitely cornered the market on ridiculously long, painfully stupid posts on this board.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:17 am to SandStorm
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He's a jack of all trades but a master of none.
he's a master of being a drive/dish player and a master of defense
he's well above average in rebounding and midrange shooting
i mean how many other players hit as many highly ranked areas of play than lebron?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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he just started working on it, so i wouldn't expect him to have an elite post game. how many 26 year old perimeter players have elite post games?
I'm sorry but this notion that a 6'9 260 SF is a "perimeter player" is fricking stupid as is the people who perpetuate it. He takes what? 10-15% of his shots from 20 feet and out? He's inside player even if he doesn't score as much as he does. Are we going to start calling a Dwight Howard a mid-range player just because he can hit a jumper/bank shot from 10-12 every once in awhile?
By calling LeBron a perimeter player you're only adding fuel to the fire for his critics. He's soft, and he doesn't have more than just good basketball skills.
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his ballhandling for being 6-9 is amazing
He's been the primary ballhandler on every team he's been on since he hit high school, if not sooner. I'd hope that in those dozen years he'd develop some ball handling skills. Even then, yes they are amazing for a forward, but in terms of overall quality, they are nothing to get excited about.
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he's a really good midrange shooter
If by really good mid-range shooter you mean he had one good season, then sure. Don't underestimate the impact that Bosh and Wade had on that either.
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he's developing his 3 point shot, too
If by develop, you mean it's been pretty much the same his entire career, then sure.
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if he's so lazy then why has he systematically improved his game over the course of his career?
He hasn't. He's improved more physically than he has skill-wise since he joined the league. His 3-point shooting has improved a smidge, but that's because he never really had to take any 3-point shots in high school - why would he was just a better athlete than everyone he played?
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people said he needed to play defense, so he is may be the most versatile and best perimeter defender in the NBA
You don't honestly believe that do you? If so, you don't know shite about the NBA.
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people said he needed to learn how to shoot, so he's one of the best midrange shooters in the NBA
Well if you say that lie enough, maybe a few idiots will believe it.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:37 am to TulaneTigerFan
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TulaneTigerFan
I haven't seen you contribute anything to any thread you've posted in. You are literally the most useless poster on here, and that's saying something when there is a guy who think Pierre Thomas is the new Marcus Allen.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:38 am to SandStorm
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Durant and Griffin will be the new Bird-Magic, minus the personal rivalry.
I agree with this.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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his ballhandling for being 6-9 is amazing, and he's a really good midrange shooter
I agree with this.
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he's developing his 3 point shot, too
Why has he waited so long to do this.
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he just started working on it
Another thing I am wondering why he has waited so long to do. IF he is that talentd he should have had started working on it earliar.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:41 am to SandStorm
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I'm sorry but this notion that a 6'9 260 SF is a "perimeter player" is fricking stupid
but he IS a perimeter player
you can argue with it in your head all you want, but watch him play. the fact that a 6-9, 260 lb guy is an amazing perimeter player shows you how freakish his SKILLS (not just athleticism) are
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He takes what? 10-15% of his shots from 20 feet and out?
"perimeter player" doesn't mean "long range jump shooter"
do you consider d rose a perimeter player? wade?
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By calling LeBron a perimeter player you're only adding fuel to the fire for his critics. He's soft, and he doesn't have more than just good basketball skills.
yeah being an elite driver and drive/dish guy at 6-9, 260 really does show his lack of skillset
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Even then, yes they are amazing for a forward, but in terms of overall quality, they are nothing to get excited about.
but he is a "forward" so that is meritless
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If by really good mid-range shooter you mean he had one good season, then sure.
the fruition of hard work he puts in during the offseason
i'm sure every other great mid-range guy just had that skill appear from magic....even guys like jordan
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He hasn't.
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You don't honestly believe that do you? If so, you don't know shite about the NBA.
i saw what he did to "MVP" d rose in the ECF and what he's done the past few years
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Well if you say that lie enough, maybe a few idiots will believe it.
stats don't lie
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean how many other players hit as many highly ranked areas of play than lebron?
Right now?
Howard
Paul
Kobe
Rose
Dirk (Best offensive player in the league and it's not even a debate)
Rondo
Wade
Carmelo
That's off the top of my head.
I'm guessing you are just a blind fanboy so our discussion ends here as you've demonstrated time and time again from what I've seen in your posts that you always come in with preconceived notions and never actually listen to logic, especially if it disproves your egotistically conceived beliefs.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:45 am to dukke v
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Another thing I am wondering why he has waited so long to do.
pj you can't just become amazing at midrange shooting, 3 point shooting, defense, posting up, etc in 1 offseason
why did jordan wait so long to get a good outside shot?
why has howard waited so long to really work on his post game (which is his primary offensive threat)?
why are d rose and wade still unable to shoot well from outside consistently?
why have durant and dirk failed to become elite defenders?
there are very few totally/complete players in the NBA (relative to position). the 2 best examples (kobe and paul) have their bodies betraying them currently
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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but he IS a perimeter player
you can argue with it in your head all you want, but watch him play. the fact that a 6-9, 260 lb guy is an amazing perimeter player shows you how freakish his SKILLS (not just athleticism) are
You've gone full retard.
Yeah he's so amazing on the perimeter with his 33% 3=point percentage.
Maybe you were seduced by his 32% shooting percentage in the finals when Jason fricking Terry and DeShawn were guarding him. 17.8 points in the Finals = All-time elite status.
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