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re: Better NBA Duo - Lebron and Wade or Jordan and Pippen?
Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:56 am to shel311
Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:56 am to shel311
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Is there a way to somehow "add" the other 3? Is it possible that those 3 added would add up to something significant?
no, they are independent with no significant colinearity in the analysis.
In three of five categories the two players are the same, and in 2 of the categories wade is slightly better per game (assists and blocks).
Hardly a ringing endorsement for him being much more efficient and having much better stats than Kobe.
Overall, the two, as I said...are essentially the same. Anyone who would tout one over the other based on these statistics would be wrong to do so.
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Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:58 am to shel311
quote:Dude stop this is embarrassing. Kobe has played 16 seasons. When Wade has played 16 seasons we'll revisit this statistical comparison.
Cool.
Which individual produced more:
Player A:
25.2 ppg
5.1 rbg
6.2 apg
1.8 spg
1.0 bpg
Player B:
25.4 ppg
5.3 rpg
4.7 apg
1.5 spg
.5 bpg
Which player was more efficient:
Player A:
25.7 PER
.566 TS%
Or Player B:
23.4 PER
.554 TS%(not to be confused with total shooting% LOL)
Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:59 am to beaverfever
oh and for the second model, those 5 stats captured 70% of the potential variation between the two players.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:59 am to CptBengal
Still not sure how that correlates to his claim being "insane"
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:00 pm to beaverfever
quote:Look at the numbers, it's not embarassing in the least, especially considering I ALREADy pointed out the longevity.
Dude stop this is embarrassing
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:01 pm to CptBengal
quote:
Hardly a ringing endorsement for him being much more efficient and having much better stats than Kobe
Except you said the numbers weren't statistically significant, and they were?
Doesn't that prove my claim isn't remotely "insane" and I'm not a "clown"??
I still don't get what variables you used, really, and how the numbers alone reflect anything basketball related. Seems like you'd have to throw in a million other variables as well.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:09 pm to shel311
quote:
Except you said the numbers weren't statistically significant, and they were?
i did an eye test. I got 3 out of 5 right...not bad for not having even run the model.
quote:
Doesn't that prove my claim isn't remotely "insane" and I'm not a "clown"??
I may have been over the top, and apologize, but to claim one is better than the other based on assists and blocks....is highly dubious.
quote:
I still don't get what variables you used, really, and how the numbers alone reflect anything basketball related.
In those categories with a Pr>F of less than 0.05 there is sufficient difference to claim with 95% certainty that there is a measurable difference in the statistics between Kobe and Wade for that category.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:13 pm to CptBengal
quote:I'll take it.
I may have been over the top, and apologize
quote:
but to claim one is better than the other based on assists and blocks....is highly dubious
Eh. I know you say it's insignificant, but I would think that you have to believe when you lead in all teh other stats, including efficiency, all of that at some point, adds up in addition to assists and blocks.
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In those categories with a Pr>F of less than 0.05 there is sufficient difference to claim with 95% certainty that there is a measurable difference in the statistics between Kobe and Wade for that category
But I guess I'm saying, just a complete example, not in necessarily sports related. If you're comparing just the numbers 25 and 20(ppg) based on a total of a team scoring roughly 100 ppg.
My question is how does the calculation did know that the 25 and 20 are 25% and 20% of a team's total points. What if 25 and 20 were based on a total of 10,000points? THen it's rather obviously insignificant.
Not sure if that makes any sense, but it does in my head lol.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:16 pm to shel311
quote:I didn't see any mention of kobe's longevity. The only way you can compare each players per game stats is compare them at their best. 22-30 or something like that would be appropriate. Kobe has played 6 seasons either in his teens or his 30's and that greatly effects his averages. Dwayne wade is an easy basket kind of guy. He wants to score from 10 feet and in. He's awful from the 3 point line and from the free throw line. Kobe is maybe the most complete offensive basketball player ever.
Look at the numbers, it's not embarassing in the least, especially considering I ALREADy pointed out the longevity.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:17 pm to shel311
quote:
My question is how does the calculation did know that the 25 and 20 are 25% and 20% of a team's total points. What if 25 and 20 were based on a total of 10,000points? THen it's rather obviously insignificant.
im comparing the numbers of one player to the numbers from the other player. Like you did, but I provided probabilities of their difference, to accurately quantify IF there was a difference we could measure. In three of the 5 categories they are similar enough, that no...there is no difference.
If you want to do based on team output/wins or losses/any other controlling variable I would have a completely different model and the stats you posted earlier would be meaningless in that comparison.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:20 pm to beaverfever
quote:If I'm comparing 2 players and I say for Dwade there is the longevity point, isn't it obvious that I'm comparing his longevity to Kobe's?
I didn't see any mention of kobe's longevity
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Dwayne wade is an easy basket kind of guy. He wants to score from 10 feet and in. He's awful from the 3 point line and from the free throw line.
Ok, so that's an advantage for DWade. I don't get why you're saying it like it's a negative?
Isn't it to a player's advantage to get easier baskets?
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:23 pm to CptBengal
quote:I don't get it. I'll save you the time because it's not like you're doing anything wrong or a bad job of explaining, but it's just beyond my scope of understanding.
im comparing the numbers of one player to the numbers from the other player. Like you did, but I provided probabilities of their difference, to accurately quantify IF there was a difference we could measure
quote:
If you want to do based on team output/wins or losses/any other controlling variable I would have a completely different model and the stats you posted earlier would be meaningless in that comparison
Well, I know HOllinger has his win shares/48 number. I believe I read a study that shows, even moreso than PER, it's the best stat out there in predicting wins. I could be wrong but something like that. I assume that stat would be soemthing like what you'd do there?
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:26 pm to beaverfever
quote:
he only way you can compare each players per game stats is compare them at their best. 22-30 or something like that would be appropriate.
throwing out Kobe's first 3 years and last 3 years we have a s model:
R2=0.77
Category----------PR>F
-------------------------------
ppg---------------0.3220
apg---------------0.6330
spg---------------0.7058
rpg---------------0.0158
bpg---------------0.0055
So assists fall out of being significant, but we get rebounds becoming significant.
*Kobe averages more rebounds per game than Wade
*Wade still has the edge on blocks.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 12:27 pm to shel311
quote:
. I assume that stat would be soemthing like what you'd do there?
meh, I'd have to see his methodology to comment.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 1:02 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 6/1/12 at 1:57 pm to baybeefeetz
Im not reading this thread but can you imagine a game of 2 on 2 with the 4 of them in primes.
Jordan and Pipp would destroy them!
Jordan and Pipp would destroy them!
Posted on 6/1/12 at 2:42 pm to hg
Jordan>Lebron+Wade>Pippen
Posted on 6/1/12 at 3:22 pm to beaverfever
quote:
Better NBA Duo - Lebron and Wade or Jordan and Pippen?
quote:
Is this real life
exactly
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