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re: Bruce Bowens top 5 pgs...just showed on SC
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:45 pm to el tigre
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:45 pm to el tigre
quote:How many great seasons has Rondo had? Has he ever even had one? What about D. Rose? He's only played two years. Yet both of these guys are ranked ahead of Paul on this list who has had 2 of the greatest seasons by a point guard in league history.
He doesn't have enough great seasons in a row to rank him this high when he is banged up. He has 2 great, healthy seasons in his career. A year from now he might be at the top of the list again, but i want to see him at 100% for a full season.
You're not seeing a lot of people outraged over Nash and Williams. They're legit. I'm offended by the idea that Rondo would be above some of these guys based solely on the fact that some prisoner-of-the-moment type morons always think that whoever had the best game last week is the greatest ever.
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Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:47 pm to TTsTowel
quote:Never said that. But the whole "he played in the league so he would know best" meme is tired, played-out, and just misguided. If the best players were the best evaluators of talent, Michael Jordan, Isiah Thomas, and Elgin Baylor would've been great executives.
And you're sure he's biased. Riiiiiiiight.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:49 pm to Jamohn
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How many great seasons has Rondo had? Has he ever even had one? What about D. Rose? He's only played two years. Yet both of these guys are ranked ahead of Paul on this list who has had 2 of the greatest seasons by a point guard in league history
and they were also healthy this year. They don't need a long string of great seasons to prop them up b.c they are healthy and playing/played in nearly every game this season.
the question is RIGHT NOW. nobody with a right mind is taking Paul over them b/c he has been injured and we haven't seen him at his best in a while.
eta: even if Paul were healthy i would still consider taking Rondo. Not Rose, not a chance.
This post was edited on 6/1/10 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:54 pm to el tigre
this is funny. Seriously, Paul has had a couple great seasons. So someone disses Nash (a two-time MVP) because his career started out slow? 
Paul's could very well end slow. Last I checked, Nash's season was still going on last week...and he is a big reason why. I know it's not just about the team, but Nash has been a model of consistency. The dude also stays healthy, which is a small enough reason to rank him ahead of Paul right now.
How the hell can you guys justify a guy who has been banged up half the season?
And the talent thing is bullshite. Rondo does have more talent...but he's winning with it. If he was losing, I could see a reason to have Paul higher than him...but he's not. So I guess when Paul joins one of the elite teams, all the MSBers who love NOLA should rank him lower...because damnit, he may have more talent to work with.
Paul's could very well end slow. Last I checked, Nash's season was still going on last week...and he is a big reason why. I know it's not just about the team, but Nash has been a model of consistency. The dude also stays healthy, which is a small enough reason to rank him ahead of Paul right now.
How the hell can you guys justify a guy who has been banged up half the season?
And the talent thing is bullshite. Rondo does have more talent...but he's winning with it. If he was losing, I could see a reason to have Paul higher than him...but he's not. So I guess when Paul joins one of the elite teams, all the MSBers who love NOLA should rank him lower...because damnit, he may have more talent to work with.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:54 pm to el tigre
injuries happen, that's no reason to base your judgement on someone, and Paul is a better allaround guard then Rondo who has come into his own this year. Paul can do everything Rondo can do, steal people blind and penetrate galore, difference is he is a much better shooter from the outside than Rondo.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:57 pm to tubucoco
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Paul can do everything Rondo can do, steal people blind and penetrate galore, difference is he is a much better shooter from the outside than Rondo.
I think Rondo did a much better job of getting to the rim this year than Paul...
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:57 pm to tubucoco
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injuries happen, that's no reason to base your judgement on someone
if we have to win 1 game today or you are executed and you can pick your team who are you picking?
that's the way i am looking at this question.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:57 pm to el tigre
quote:This just boggles my mind. I seriously can't understand how you'd consider a guy whose best year surrounded by superior talent equals another guy's worst year surrounded by inferior talent in any way.
eta: even if Paul were healthy i would still consider taking Rondo. Not Rose, not a chance.
Again, I'll listen to Nash and D. Williams. Rose has the potential. Rondo is not in the fricking conversation. I really don't get it.
This post was edited on 6/1/10 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/1/10 at 1:59 pm to Jamohn
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Rondo is not in the fricking conversation. I really don't get it.
Then you don't watch alot of basketball.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:00 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:D Williamson and Paul have been playin good basketball since they have come into the league and have already maxed out in a relatively short time. Nash was horible in PHX his first time around and a few seasons in Dallas, fact.
So someone disses Nash( a two-time MVP) cause his career started out slow?
In fact, one could argue D'Antonio's system made Nash the guard he is today because he really didn't take off until he started playin in that system(which btw, won him those MVP's).
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:00 pm to TexasTiger08
Yes, I do. I've also been watching your consistent attempts to flame as if everyone who disagrees w/ the list is doing so based on some "hornetard" bias. I'll go back to ignoring you now.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:03 pm to el tigre
I'm pickin Paul over Rondo in a second.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:03 pm to tubucoco
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Nash was horible in PHX his first time around and a few seasons in Dallas, fact.
I know...but who's to say that Paul and/or Williams won't have a significant downturn in their careers?
We are talking best current pg, and currently Nash is still at the top of his game.
As for the D'Antoni comments? I could get that, but is that a reason to move him down? I mean, the system Wilt Chamberlain played in was to "feed him the ball"...but he isn't getting knocked on it, right? Isn't a coach's job to implement a system utilizing the talents of a star player?
Also, when Nash started getting good in Dallas...it wasn't with D'Antoni. And right now, it's with Gentry.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:07 pm to TexasTiger08
Gentry reemployed D'Antonio's system that's why, Porter tried a different system and Nash kind of struggled, especially playin with Shaq.
but the guy is a top PG now, I'm not arguing that, but Chris Paul takes over games for the Hornets and makes them relevant.
but the guy is a top PG now, I'm not arguing that, but Chris Paul takes over games for the Hornets and makes them relevant.
This post was edited on 6/1/10 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:08 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:weak
Last I checked, Nash's season was still going on last week
if we're arguing who's the better player, why is the being in the playoffs a big factor if that's what we based players on Carlos Boozer is greater than Chris Bosh
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:10 pm to TexasTiger08
That two time MVP's stats were surpassed by CP3.
CP should have won the MVP two years ago.
CP averages double digit assists a game passing the ball to Mo Pete and Emeka. Man it'd be real nice for him to pass the ball to Ray Allen, KG, and Paul Pierce.
If you want to argue the D Will is better than CP, I'll listen to what you have to say. Same goes for Nash, although I'm not about to freak out over the way he played in the playoffs. 17 and 10 is nice, but CP's embarassing postseason of 16/11 just about mirrors that.
Rondo and Rose? Absolutely not.
CP should have won the MVP two years ago.
CP averages double digit assists a game passing the ball to Mo Pete and Emeka. Man it'd be real nice for him to pass the ball to Ray Allen, KG, and Paul Pierce.
If you want to argue the D Will is better than CP, I'll listen to what you have to say. Same goes for Nash, although I'm not about to freak out over the way he played in the playoffs. 17 and 10 is nice, but CP's embarassing postseason of 16/11 just about mirrors that.
Rondo and Rose? Absolutely not.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:10 pm to Jamohn
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Rondo is not in the fricking conversation. I really don't get it.
i think you are putting way too much into stats.
Paul is not going to be better than Rondo on every team, it depends on their makeup. Just look at the Billups/Iverson trade. Don't fall in love with stats.
and no, i am not saying Paul is a cancer like Iverson b/c he's not. My point is that Rondo has really improved from last year's post season and on and really impacts the game ways that the stats don't show.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:13 pm to tubucoco
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but Chris Paul takes over games for the Hornets and makes them relevant.
and Rondo takes the game over on a star laden team and leads them to post season wins over the #1 seed and the NBA's darling.
that's strong.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:13 pm to Jamohn
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Yes, I do. I've also been watching your consistent attempts to flame as if everyone who disagrees w/ the list is doing so based on some "hornetard" bias. I'll go back to ignoring you now.
Well, thanks Mr. Tough Guy. But it's truth...all you Hornet fans seem to be resilient to admitting that another pg is capable of dominating a game...
Posted on 6/1/10 at 2:14 pm to tubucoco
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but Chris Paul takes over games for the Hornets and makes them relevant.
And you couldn't argue that the system Scott implemented helped him out. If Paul is running half court sets in S.A., his numbers go down...and then we would think less of him?
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