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re: DAT 2015-2016 Offseason Thread
Posted on 1/18/16 at 10:17 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 1/18/16 at 10:17 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
My hopes are officially up. I want Yoenis
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Posted on 1/18/16 at 10:37 am to Tiger Ryno
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Get rid of gomez as fast as possible. For as much as we can get.
WTH? Logical, non-emotional commentary by Ryno? I get scared when I agree with you Ryno.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 10:48 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Oh, I want Cespedes. I think signing him improves this team. But I also think selling low on Gomez after that signing just because we feel a move needs to be made could be a bad idea too. If he doesn't bring anything of value back in return, then why do we need to move him? If it's between trading him for a bag of shite or rolling with him for one season to see if he bounces back, then I rather roll with him.
Everyone seems to be going with the worst case scenario that Gomez doesn't rebound this season so we absolutely need to move him because he'll be worthless. But what if he does rebound? How deadly would that lineup be with he & Ces in it? A lineup featuring an improved Gomez plus Ces would be just as impactful as anything we receive in a trade other than a solid SP.
If we kept Gomez, the move to make in that scenario would be sending Tucker back down to AAA and having Colby become the 4th OF/platoon DH similar to last season. Letting Gomez walk at the end of this season for nothing might suck but if he rebounds and helps get us further into the post season this one year, then that is better than trading him off right now for nothing, imo.
And again if Gomez can fit into a deal that nets a solid pitcher or something, then of course do it.
Everyone seems to be going with the worst case scenario that Gomez doesn't rebound this season so we absolutely need to move him because he'll be worthless. But what if he does rebound? How deadly would that lineup be with he & Ces in it? A lineup featuring an improved Gomez plus Ces would be just as impactful as anything we receive in a trade other than a solid SP.
If we kept Gomez, the move to make in that scenario would be sending Tucker back down to AAA and having Colby become the 4th OF/platoon DH similar to last season. Letting Gomez walk at the end of this season for nothing might suck but if he rebounds and helps get us further into the post season this one year, then that is better than trading him off right now for nothing, imo.
And again if Gomez can fit into a deal that nets a solid pitcher or something, then of course do it.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 10:51 am to TTownTiger
Drellich just tweeted out his article which for the most part shoots down the Cespedes to Houston rumor
LINK
LINK
Posted on 1/18/16 at 10:54 am to TTownTiger
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But I also think selling low on Gomez after that signing just because we feel a move needs to be made could be a bad idea too. If he doesn't bring anything of value back in return, then why do we need to move him? If it's between trading him for a bag of shite or rolling with him for one season to see if he bounces back, then I rather roll with him.
Definitely. I don't think we should for sure trade him if we sign Cespedes or get another OF in general. We tinkered with our lineup so much last year that I think we would be fine keeping him and rotating our OFs around and throwing one in the DH spot fairly often also.
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If we kept Gomez, the move to make in that scenario would be sending Tucker back down to AAA and having Colby become the 4th OF/platoon DH similar to last season. Letting Gomez walk at the end of this season for nothing might suck but if he rebounds and helps get us further into the post season this one year, then that is better than trading him off right now for nothing, imo.
Yeah this is pretty much how I see it.
OF isn't a place where we need an upgrade necessarily (like C or 1B or 3B) but it looks like it has the best opportunities to upgrade. You can always deal Gomez mid year too if he does turn it around- to a contender for some prospects which you could flip for a bigger need, or to a contender with some SP depth perhaps. It gives us a lot of options
This post was edited on 1/18/16 at 10:55 am
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:02 am to TTownTiger
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Everyone seems to be going with the worst case scenario that Gomez doesn't rebound this season
I personally think Gomez comes back and plays excellent ball this year. But in my short time watching him daily -- here's my take on him.
Some players are Michael Jordan type team-mates -- they make everyone around them better. Some players are Kobe Bryant type players... they minimize their team-mates talent. I'm not saying MJ was better than Kobe (or vice-versa). All I'm saying is some players elevate the talent of their team mates and some don't.
Gomez is a Kobe type guy. Exceptional athlete. But he's simply their to promote himself. I think he will kill the dugout and clubhouse if he stays.
Is Cespedes better? I don't know. But I'd be willing to bring him in and exchange Gomez, Musgrove, and Gattis for a true top-tier SP.
Or just send Gomez and a lower-level prospect for a solid #2 with some years of control.
Also, get ready for Marisnick fellas... he's going to surprise some people this year. I was told that he's been working hard at giving up on power swings and hitting to all fields.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:12 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Here is the rest of the SP market
LINK
Things are bleak after Gallardo, and he would be pretty expensive plus the pick. If we can't work out a reasonable trade for a SP I am okay with rolling into the season with our current rotation and giving Musgrove first crack from the minors.
LINK
Things are bleak after Gallardo, and he would be pretty expensive plus the pick. If we can't work out a reasonable trade for a SP I am okay with rolling into the season with our current rotation and giving Musgrove first crack from the minors.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:15 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Gallardo
Do not want.
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If we can't work out a reasonable trade for a SP I am okay with rolling into the season with our current rotation and giving Musgrove first crack from the minors.
Exactly.
We're 1 month away from one of the best days of the year.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:19 am to TXGunslinger10
Dont fall for Cespedes' career year last year. DONT FALL FOR IT, STRO FANS!
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:23 am to Lester Earl
There's no way we will get him. I think he ends up signing with the White Sox
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:41 am to Lester Earl
True, LE. But two of our projected 2016 starting OF's likely wont even be on the roster after this upcoming season (Gomez & Rasmus). We also don't have any immediate impact bats at OF in the high minors right now to replace them, so it would likely have to come from trades or free agency anyways.
And one of those starting OF's this season is career 4th OF/platoon guy Colby Rasmus.
We'd likely have to address the OF before 2017 anyways, so I am not against a signing now. But I do agree that expectations for what Cespedes brings needs to be lowered a bit. But then again, a move to MMP might also help him sustain those career year numbers.
And one of those starting OF's this season is career 4th OF/platoon guy Colby Rasmus.
We'd likely have to address the OF before 2017 anyways, so I am not against a signing now. But I do agree that expectations for what Cespedes brings needs to be lowered a bit. But then again, a move to MMP might also help him sustain those career year numbers.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:45 am to Lester Earl
Agreed. If they want to spend money on an OF, it should be Upton at this point.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:45 am to TTownTiger
he just really isnt a Lunhow type player, imo. I think at one point you have to put a limit on guys that are going to K 150x a season. A lot of hot/cold, low on base, meh attitude.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:51 am to Lester Earl
I can agree with that.
Edit: but something will need to happen there eventually one way or another.
Edit: but something will need to happen there eventually one way or another.
This post was edited on 1/18/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:55 am to TTownTiger
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but something will need to happen there eventually one way or another.
Please go into further detail.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 11:57 am to Lester Earl
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he just really isnt a Lunhow type player, imo. I think at one point you have to put a limit on guys that are going to K 150x a season. A lot of hot/cold, low on base, meh attitude.
Agreed. But I'd still be willing to swap out Gomez with Cespedes if it means Gomez was flipped for a solid SP.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 12:06 pm to Floating Change Up
Isn't Cespedes not the best CF?
Posted on 1/18/16 at 12:07 pm to 5 Deep
Would rather trade for a Carrasco type player
Or Gomez back to Milwaukee with someone else and bring in Lucroy
Or Gomez back to Milwaukee with someone else and bring in Lucroy
Posted on 1/18/16 at 12:08 pm to Floating Change Up
Gomez is on the last year of his deal though. 1 yr of him vs 5 for a 30yr old Cespedes
AJ Reed can drive in runs. you dont need Yo, imo.
AJ Reed can drive in runs. you dont need Yo, imo.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 12:12 pm to Jwho77
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Please go into further detail.
Just continuing with what I said a few posts up. Two of our penciled in starting OFs right now likely wont even be on the roster next season. So I believe a move will have to be made there eventually. I am not high on Preston Tucker being an everyday OF at this point so, even if defensive wiz Marisnick is the future at CF, I believe a move will still need to be made to address LF as soon as next offseason.
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