re: DAT: All Star Break Edition

Posted by iamAG

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:05 pm to El Campo Tiger

I'm guessing you typoed reddick and Beltran positions?

Posted by Floating Change Up

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:06 pm to Adam Banks

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Hes been above average this year when relatively hes still far too young to be in the league (for comparison Judge is two years older than Bregman). I get that hes one of the weaker spots this season but I really dont get everyone bailing off the Bregman train. I really think that if he wasnt batting in whats been a historically good level lineup then there would be a lot more appreciation for what hes done at the age of 23.

All of this is far too much logical and sensible thinking for this thread.

Let's see, the Astros have the best team in baseball... and people want to remove one of its youngest future all star players and replace him with a guy that smells too much like Jason Lane in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I have been a huge Moran supporter since he came over... but he is too much of a gamble to insert in place of Bregman.

When you have a championship caliber team, you trade from your minors, not from your big league line up. Especially do not throw away a 23 yr old that has about a yr with the MLB club.

Posted by Jwho77

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:15 pm to Floating Change Up

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All of this is far too much logical and sensible thinking for this thread.

Or people are just discussing rumors and potential scenarios.

Yes actually. That's what's happening here.

This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 9:21 pm

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Posted by High C

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:23 pm to Jwho77

TBH, I'd just as soon have Stro man at a lower price. We talk about getting over the hump, but IF Keuchel comes back healthy, the hump is small.

Posted by wahoocs

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:36 pm to Floating Change Up

I think Moran has a HR and single in AAA AS game rat now on MLBN.

And IDK why Bregman is still a topic of discussion. We all did that thread at the quarter mark of the season. I was bullied and picked on for saying Bregman's value would no longer headline a Sale-like trade. It eventually turned into a who would you rather have Bregman vs Tucker discussion.

Nobody's gonna be right or wrong in their belief at this point, but IMHO, teams would want Tucker over Bregman due to their probable potentiality.

Posted by Tiger Ryno

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:39 pm to Jwho77

People are dumb who think Bergman is anywhere near his true potential. He's 23. Less than a full season under his belt and holding his own quite nicely.

I expect him to be very good player by age 25-26. Potentially all star caliber.

Posted by Adam Banks

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:51 pm to Jwho77

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Or people are just discussing rumors and potential scenarios.

Yes actually. That's what's happening here.

Theres some of this but theres definitely been some nega bregs on here and other astros talk the last couple months.

Last year fans relatively were in agreement that we wouldnt give him up for Sale but now are jumping at the bit to toss him in to get whatever.

FTR Im a sunshine pumper on Moran and think either he or fisher will be in whatever deal/deals will materialize. I really think that if hes not included in the package we should bring him up to man 3rd and put Bregman in left. Obviously if Fisher is kept then he goes to left and Bregman stays at 3rd.

Posted by Adam Banks

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:55 pm to wahoocs

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Nobody's gonna be right or wrong in their belief at this point, but IMHO, teams would want Tucker over Bregman due to their probable potentiality.

FTR it was mentioned earlier about Fangraphs tradevalue rankings. Bregman was at 38. Other notables in that area-Degrom 37 Thor 34 Bogaerts 45 and Yoan Moncada who is the number 1 prospect across every ranking at 41 below Bregman

Bregman has proven he can at least hack it at this level. I love Tucker but hes still an unknown relatively.

Posted by 5 Deep

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:56 pm to Adam Banks

It prob has a lot to do with how Bregs performed in the 1st half and how Sale performed in the 1st half. While we'd prob make that trade if we could do it over..hindsight is 50/50 and I trust the talent evaluators we have

While regression from George, Marwin, Yuli, or even Reddick wouldn't be absolutely shocking...I think Bregs will play much better and fill the void for one of those regression candidates

Posted by High C

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:57 pm to Adam Banks

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Last year fans relatively were in agreement that we wouldnt give him up for Sale but now are jumping at the bit to toss him in to get whatever.

I'm in that number, but mostly as a joke reference to his Twitter escapades. I really don't want to give him up.

Posted by texastiger38

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:01 pm to High C

I've been a big Bregman supporter from the get go.

That being said it's interesting to talk about trades and rumors. I, however have no intentions of making the current major league team worse, just to bring in a pitcher.

Posted by 5 Deep

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:05 pm to texastiger38

Bullpen piece is just as important if not more important than a starter IMO

*assuming we get healthy Keuchel back

Posted by wahoocs

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:08 pm to Adam Banks

I am not anti-Bregman.

I did feel a bit selfish this offseason wanting to keep him b/c of his LSU ties, knowing that Sale would probably be a big piece of the WS puzzle this year, whereas Bregman could be a big piece for years to come.

At the quarter mark of this season, Bregman had shown no power at all, and I felt it would be a shame if we had missed out on Sale and Bregman busted. He then quickly showed the power he had the second half last year.

All things considered, I still feel like GMs would have more interest in Tucker right now. And I'll add that I would like to see Bregs add 12 more HRs the second half and go on to become a perennial AS with the Astros.

Posted by texastiger38

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:19 pm to 5 Deep

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Bullpen piece is just as important if not more important than a starter IMO

Agree. I actually think if you move to get 2 good relievers to group with Devo/Harris/Giles you don't even need to add a starter. Again, like you said, having a healthy DK

ETA: not to mention getting Peacock back in the bullpen mix

This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:20 pm

Posted by Adam Banks

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:30 pm to Adam Banks

Just posting because I found this:

Alex Bregman was tied for the 5th youngest player in the AL on the opening day rosters

But its always important to remember hes not the youngest Houston Astro. Carlos Correa is half a year younger making him the 3rd youngest AL player on an opening day roster

:bow: We are witnessing something special remember that

This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:31 pm

Posted by Lsuhoohoo

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:34 pm to texastiger38

Sonny Gray + Sean Doolite.

Looking at Tony Sipp's numbers, he's been an odd case. Batters are hitting .188 off him this year which is 20 points lower than his great year in 2015 (Last year was .297). He's allowed 18 hits this year but 9 of them have gone for extra bases. Prone to throwing a mistake pitch that gets crushed maybe?

He's not been awful but the underlying stats suggest he should be better. The low opponent BA, low opponents BAbip, decentish K/9.

This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:41 pm

Posted by 5 Deep

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:47 pm to Lsuhoohoo

Looks like pitching matchups this weekend will be:

Berrios vs Morton
Santana vs Musgrove

Gibson vs Fiers

I own Berrios in fantasy and pretty sure that after is red hot start, he struggled going into the break

IIRC Santana dominated us when we faced him in the first series but then we went HAM on their bullpen after he got taken out

Saying that reminds me of how much we obliterated their pen when we played them in Minnesota

Winning 2/3 should be the expectation going into the weekend and if we can win Saturday then a sweep is def possible

I'm not concerned or anything but I think it'd be very nice to come out after the break and win 7/10. Don't let anybody in the division be getting any ideas

I still don't understand how Seattle has been so bad. I feel like if they can get their pitchers going they could easily grab that 2nd wild card spot

Posted by 5 Deep

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Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:51 pm to 5 Deep

Also, thought many would get a kick out of this article ranking all 30 broadcast crews in MLB