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Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:11 pm to
They could Go with a very open language rule and Go with the “I’ll know it when I see it”

Let’s not pretend it isn’t easy to see the kind of shift they want out of baseball.

The obvious answer is to just stop play till they’re in the correct formations

What are teams gonna do? Refuse?
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37375 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:16 pm to
i despise the shift and think in a lot of ways it has ruined baseball. I think they should have to play traditional locations.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:17 pm to
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First offense is a warning. Second offense, the manager is ejected. Third offense, the out of position players are ejected.
know how to get people to quit watching something? eject the players.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103806 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:18 pm to
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i despise the shift and think in a lot of ways it has ruined baseball. I think they should have to play traditional locations.


Shifting has been going on for 100 years.
Posted by DirtyDawg
President of the East Cobb Snobs
Member since Aug 2013
15551 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:23 pm to
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Does basketball tell the defense they can’t put all 5 defenders on the right side of the floor to make the dribbler go left?




Basketball does tell defenders where they can and cannot be

Lane violations, the arc under the rim, etc.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78916 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:37 pm to
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Does basketball tell the defense they can’t put all 5 defenders on the right side of the floor to make the dribbler go left?


Defensive 3 second rule. Designed to keep defenses from camping in the paint.

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Does football tell the defense they can’t run a nickel coverage, they have to play 4 DL, 3 LB, and 4 DBs?


No but offenses can’t put more than 5 players in the backfield.

It’s not like other sports don’t have rules designed to keep games Interesting.

Posted by TTB
LA to L.A.
Member since Nov 2006
3158 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:38 pm to
How about a compromise? Each team gets two shifts per game. Use em then lose em
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:50 pm to
Because MLB leadership is dumb.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
49274 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:55 pm to
This would be the stupidest move ever in sports if they implement that. Because a player is unable to do adjust ( hit or bunt to one side or the other ) You are going to make a rule that defense cannot overload to the side where he hits the ball most of the time. This is stupid.
Posted by LSU
Houston
Member since Oct 2003
9110 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 12:56 pm to
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How is it possible to ban a shift In baseball


I don't comprehend why this would be banned. It's just good gamesmanship against players that are too inept to figure out how to beat it.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
39990 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 1:03 pm to
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But if more guys COULD bunt or drag bunt would the analytics not change?


One thing the pro-analytics guys won't acknowledge (and I'm not anti-analytics. But you can't be so rigidly doctrinaire with them) is they become a self-sustaining metric. Analytics say to draft 3-outcome batters. Defense changes with the shift. Pro-analytics folks say, "Our team is built for this type ball. It would still be less productive to take what the defense gives us". So they keep forcing the round peg into an increasingly smaller round hole.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149794 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 1:10 pm to
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No but offenses can’t put more than 5 players in the backfield.

this is more akin to only having 9 players on the field or one pitcher. no other league bans styles of defense. cause its stupid
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19276 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 1:15 pm to
Banning the shift is retarded. Let hitters adjust naturally and learn how to bunt
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64964 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 1:18 pm to
Can we ban offspeed pitches? I woulda been a MLB hitter if pitchers couldn’t change speeds on me.

Someone tell Joey Gallo that if defenses can all line up on the right side of the field and take away his hits...he’s not good enough for MLB. Either adjust, or admit you aren’t good enough.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78916 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 1:24 pm to
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this is more akin to only having 9 players on the field or one pitcher.


No it’s not.

The rule where you can only have 11 players
In the field is the exactly rule to rule comparison.

Also, idk what you mean by “there can only be 1 pitcher” you can sub in a new pitcher and I dont Think there is a rule about switching a fielder and pitcher and then switching them back.

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no other league bans styles of defense. cause its stupid


Except for Basketball, an example you ignored in the post you replied to.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 1:25 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103806 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 1:48 pm to
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I dont Think there is a rule about switching a fielder and pitcher and then switching them back.


There isn't... but you do lose the DH if you do this.

MLB has rules about where the catcher and pitcher have to be on the field. The other 7 guys just have to be in fair territory.

You can't move someone behind the catcher to stop a passed ball if the winning run is on third, for instance.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78916 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 1:54 pm to
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MLB has rules about where the catcher and pitcher have to be on the field. The other 7 guys just have to be in fair territory.


Right so this would just be a change to that rule.

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149794 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:00 pm to
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Except for Basketball
basketball doesnt ban style of defenses. you just cant stand aimlessly in the key for 3 seconds. but no, they do not ban styles. they do not ban help defense, nor man, nor zone, nor pack line. you can defend however you want to defend. because making rules banning strategy is fricking stupid
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103806 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:03 pm to
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Right so this would just be a change to that rule.


Not really, that rule would still be in effect. This would be a new rules dictating where defenders can and can't position themselves on the fair part of the field.

It's wholly unnecessary.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78916 posts
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:13 pm to
The shift is more like parking a player in the paint than man defense.

Resisting change that makes your game
More dynamic is fricking stupid.

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