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re: How would your school do vs. this schedule
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:36 pm to GamecockAlum
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:36 pm to GamecockAlum
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And why not
because they were undefeated and Miss State and USCe had 4 each.
Zero loses > 4 loses.
Congrats on beating Alabama though, maybe you guys can create a banner for that?
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 9:38 pm
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Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The people that run the BCS don;t think all non BCS teams should be excluded.
I don't think they should be excluded, I just think they should have to actually have to be at the BCS table more than twice a year to get a piece of the BCS pie.
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What's sad is you don;'t have a better team that TCU
Link? Is LSU better than TCU?
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Your's is based on your own bias
I guess I'm not impressed by beating 2 BCS teams in the regular season - one of which didn't even break .500 on the year. Hell we played 6 games against teams that were better than the best team that TCU played in the regular season (Utah - who will not even be ranked).
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They have been very good for the last several years.
I don't know about the very part, but yes they have been a good football program the last few years. When I think of elite programs the last few years, I think of Florida, Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, and hell even Ohio State. Those are teams that more or less have proven themselves against a far superior level of competition than TCU.
I will say this: If TCU can walk into the Big East and dominate that conference year and year out like they do in that horseshite of a conference they are in now, then I'll be more inclined to call them an elite program. Right now, they have done nothing to prove that they are elite.
As for your other question, they aren't the only non-BCS school in the BCS era to run through their schedule undefeated. These schools usually only do it with the lack of decent BCS competition on their schedules (like TCU) and then barely put out a win against one good BCS conference team (Boise vs. Oklahoma, TCU vs. Wisconsin).
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Yep. It isn't TCU's problem if South Carolina's schedule is too hard for them.
because they were undefeated and Miss State and USCe had 4 each.
Zero loses > 4 loses.
Congrats on beating Alabama though, maybe you guys can create a banner for that?
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:40 pm to xiv
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xiv
You can die in a fire while you're at it. No one would miss you
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:41 pm to GamecockAlum
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TCU beat Wisconsin by two. Michigan State beat Wisconsin by 10. Michigan State got defeated by Alabama by 42. South Carolina beat Alabama by 14. We are 64 points better than them. South Carolina > TCU. I await your counterargument.
I'm not sure I follow your logic here, but if you're correct, then this is some out-fricking-standing news for Kentucky!!!!!! Congratulations on a great season Wildcats, you are an elite football program because you beat the Gamechokes, and therefore you could beat every team they beat, and every team that the teams they beat beat!!!!
Joker Phillips for Coach of the Year!
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:41 pm to xiv
We can't all be good enough to beat the Wyoming's of the world.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:41 pm to GamecockAlum
quote:You know you're getting pwn3d when you start flaming in your own thread.
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xiv
You can die in a fire while you're at it. No one would miss you
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:42 pm to PowerTool
Love your avatar pic btw.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:43 pm to GamecockAlum
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What's sad is you don;'t have a better team that TCU
Link? Is LSU better than TCU?
While you may be right that several other teams may go undefeated agains that schedule, its pretty ignorant of you to say South Carolina is better than TCU. You have no idea if you could beat them. Your team lost to kentucky and FSU for crying out loud.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:43 pm to xiv
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This is the old SOS formula that was cut out of the BCS a few years ago on account that every computer system has a SOS component, making it a bit redundant.
a = opponents' combined winning percentage
b = opponents' opponents' combined winning percentage
SOS = (2a + b)/3
Yes, 2003 is the last year that component was part of the formula. So where did you get the numbers from post-2003? If you did the math yourself, I must remind you that the opponent's winning percentage excludes the game involving the team in question. 98 seems awfully low for Oregon's 2010 schedule regardless of what formula is used. There must be either a typo or a math error.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:46 pm to RLDSC FAN
Who knows if we are better.
My point is this:
With their schedule, TCU has not proven that they are an elite team. For some reason, certain idiots (xiv) think they are, despite no evidence to back them up. I use my school as an example in this case, because I know we are not an elite football team, yet we would have the exact same record as TCU if we were in their position. Same could be said for about 15-20 other schools, yet no one would think 10-15 of them are all that elite either.
My point is this:
With their schedule, TCU has not proven that they are an elite team. For some reason, certain idiots (xiv) think they are, despite no evidence to back them up. I use my school as an example in this case, because I know we are not an elite football team, yet we would have the exact same record as TCU if we were in their position. Same could be said for about 15-20 other schools, yet no one would think 10-15 of them are all that elite either.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:46 pm to GamecockAlum
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Love your avatar pic btw.
Thanks, it's the only photo I've ever found of him actually smoking - on the sideline during an A&M game. Gotta love the old school.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:50 pm to trackfan
quote:I've been keeping a system since 2003, and after a few edits, it's been consistently the same since 2005.
Yes, 2003 is the last year that component was part of the formula. So where did you get the numbers from post-2003?
quote:Yep, I'm aware. I actually do include the team in question, though. I wrestled back and forth with it for a year or two, and I've never seen it affect a team's SOS by more than four places. I put a considerable weight on SOS (it counts just as much as your record does in my system), so keeping the team in question in the SOS makes every team's SOS gravitate toward .500. I did that because I have a quality win portion that rewards wins over top teams. After about 100 cuts 'n' tries, I settled on what I have today.
If you did the math yourself, I must remind you that the opponent's winning percentage excludes the game involving the team in question.
quote:I checked again--it's actually 90 (the font is small in my spreadsheet
98 seems awfully low for Oregon's 2010 schedule regardless of what formula is used. There must be either a typo or a math error.
). Even so, it's very low; the Ducks have a terribly weak schedule this year, it appears. The Stanford win for them was huge; that's probably the reason they're ahead of TCU in any of the computers.Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:51 pm to PowerTool
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Gotta love the old school.
No doubt.
I vaguely remember watching Junction Boys when it came out. I need to rewatch it, but Bear was a tough SOB even when he was at TAMU.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:54 pm to GamecockAlum
quote:9: The number of teams in the BCS era to finish undefeated vs. a schedule tougher than TCU's this year (10 if Auburn wins).
With their schedule, TCU has not proven that they are an elite team. For some reason, certain idiots (xiv) think they are, despite no evidence to back them up.
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we would have the exact same record as TCU if we were in their position.
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no evidence to back them up
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:02 pm to xiv
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Yep, I'm aware. I actually do include the team in question, though. I wrestled back and forth with it for a year or two, and I've never seen it affect a team's SOS by more than four places. I put a considerable weight on SOS (it counts just as much as your record does in my system), so keeping the team in question in the SOS makes every team's SOS gravitate toward .500. I did that because I have a quality win portion that rewards wins over top teams. After about 100 cuts 'n' tries, I settled on what I have today.
Okay, so this is your own personal schedule ranking formula, nothing associated with the BCS rankings.
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Even so, it's very low; the Ducks have a terribly weak schedule this year, it appears. The Stanford win for them was huge; that's probably the reason they're ahead of TCU in any of the computers.
J Howell, Jeff Sagarin, Kenneth Massey and Colley Matrix rank Oregon's schedule 57th, 19th, 30th and 64th respectively.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:13 pm to trackfan
quote:Yeah and it's bugging the crap out of me.
J Howell, Jeff Sagarin, Kenneth Massey and Colley Matrix rank Oregon's schedule 57th, 19th, 30th and 64th respectively.
I even e-mailed Howell the other day about it (he and I have exchanged e-mails before, comparing systems), but he hasn't gotten back to me yet. Oregon's opponents are 54-72 (.429), which is extremely low for an AQ school, and their opponents' opponents are .531, which brings their SOS to .463.
I don't take into account home/away; some of the others do; maybe that's part of the reason. (The reason I don't do home/away is because every game is played at an agreed-upon location, and the score is 0-0 at the beginning, and the team with the most points at the end wins; I don't give brownie points for taking a long bus ride.)
My system was a huge fan of Michigan State this year, too, apparently.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:13 pm to GamecockAlum
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I don't think they should be excluded, I just think they should have to actually have to be at the BCS table more than twice a year to get a piece of the BCS pie.
you said they should have to play 6 BCS teams. Since that is not possible you are effectively saying they shouldn't be allowed in, a position the people that run the BCS do not share.
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Link?
LINK
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Is LSU better than TCU?
This year, probably not. Last year, no. But I don't care. LSU has been to BCS bowls before and will be again so I have no jealousy toward non-AQ'a like fans of 2nd rate BCS teams.
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I guess I'm not impressed by beating 2 BCS teams in the regular season
I'm not either, I'm impressed with beating 13 teams thought, most of them in dominating fashion. I would like to take this time to point out that with 2 wins over BCS teams, TCU had twice as many wins over BCS teams than Mississippi
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they aren't the only non-BCS school in the BCS era to run through their schedule undefeated. These schools usually only do it with the lack of decent BCS competition on their schedules
I didn't say they were, I asked why even more teams don't do it if its so easy? Miami of Ohio won the MAC, they played 2 BCS teams and lost to both, but also lost 2 others? If simply playing a schedule with few BCS teams is so easy, there should be undefeated teams from all the Non AQ conferences and/or teams with only loses to each other.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:24 pm to GamecockAlum
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You were the one who doesn't think LSU would go undefeated against that same schedule.
Its a shame you don't realize how stupid you sound. Read the quote above and then read this pay attention to the highlighted parts.
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With their schedule, TCU has not proven that they are an elite team. For some reason, certain idiots (xiv) think they are, despite no evidence to back them up
xiv and track fan have thrown numerous rankings and formulas at you and you are basing your views on hypotheticals, which can not be proven.
We get it you are jealous TCU had accomplished more and gotten more acclaim than South Carolina ever has.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
(I think somebody made him sit on the sidelines for a while.)
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