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re: How would your school do vs. this schedule
Posted on 1/3/11 at 9:56 am to 4LSU2
Posted on 1/3/11 at 9:56 am to 4LSU2
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They deserved to be in Pasadena on 1-1-11 and proved it.
How, exactly? By beating a big 10 "co-Champ" by two points b/c the Big 10 coach has his head wedged too far up his arse to figure out he needs to run it one more time? I think after the Cap One bowl we saw just how much beating a big 10 co champ is worth. Their schedule was worse than Boise St.
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Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:00 am to secfan123
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How, exactly? By beating a big 10 "co-Champ" by two points b/c the Big 10 coach has his head wedged too far up his arse to figure out he needs to run it one more time? I think after the Cap One bowl we saw just how much beating a big 10 co champ is worth. Their schedule was worse than Boise St.
so you are saying Alabama didn't deserve to be in the Cap One bowl?
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:02 am to H-Town Tiger
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so you are saying Alabama didn't deserve to be in the Cap One bowl?
Exactly how am I saying that? I said One win over a sub-par Big 10 "Champion" by virtue of the single dumbest playcall thus far in the post season (Yes, I'm even including Dooley) doesn't prove you deserve to be in the national title game. Would Alabama beat Wisconsin? Yes. Would Arkansas? Yes. Hell, Miss St. Probably would have (they would definitely be undefeated throughout the regular season with TCU's abortion of a schedule).
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:07 am to secfan123
Are you having a disconnect? You are arguing that they didnt deserve to be in the NC but no one is saying they did. They are saying TCU deserved to be in the Rose Bowl.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:09 am to Bleeding purple
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Are you having a disconnect? You are arguing that they didnt deserve to be in the NC but no one is saying they did. They are saying TCU deserved to be in the Rose Bowl.
No more than Miss St. Again, they [Miss St.] would have been undefeated with TCU's record.
Definitely typed national title in above post, meant Rose bowl.
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:09 am to secfan123
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doesn't prove you deserve to be in the national title game.
The BCS CG is in Tempe on 1/10/11.
You replied to this comment
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They deserved to be in Pasadena on 1-1-11 and proved it.
So who is saying TCU should be playing for the NC? Not even most TCU fans are saying that.
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Would Alabama beat Wisconsin? Yes. Would Arkansas? Yes. Hell, Miss St. Probably would have (they would definitely be undefeated throughout the regular season with TCU's abortion of a schedule
TCU would be undefeated playing Bama's schedule. Prove that wrong.
All this SEC Team X would go undefeated playing TCU's schedule is just crybaby whining.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:12 am to H-Town Tiger
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TCU would be undefeated playing Bama's schedule. Prove that wrong.
Quite simple. TCU would be underdogs against 3 probably 4 teams in the SECW. They played no one with a pulse this year.
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All this SEC Team X would go undefeated playing TCU's schedule is just crybaby whining.
No, it isn't. The disparity in scheduling is mindboggling.
BTW, right now I'm simply arguing to be a dick. I actually like Gary Patterson quite a lot.
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:12 am to secfan123
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No more than Miss St. Again, they [Miss St.] would have been undefeated with TCU's record.
some where above I post the requirements to qualify for a BCS Bowl. TCU met those requirements. Miss State did not. There is no provision that says if crybaby SEC fans think some team would have gone undefeated on another teams schedule, then they will quailify. I'll deal with what actually happens and not speculation.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:15 am to secfan123
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Quite simple. TCU would be underdogs against 3 probably 4 teams in the SECW.
maybe, maybe not. You might not be aware of this but teams that are underdogs do not always lose.
In any event this is nothing but speculation. You can't prove any other team would go undefeated on TCU's schedule, its called speculation.
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The whining, crying and jealously of some SEC fans is mindboggling.
FIFY
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:15 am to H-Town Tiger
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if crybaby SEC fans
You're a communist arent you? If these teams wnt more respect, go independent and schedule every tough game you can (ala FSU in late 70's, 80's). Still arguing to be a dick now.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:17 am to H-Town Tiger
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maybe, maybe not.
No, they would.
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You might not be aware of this but teams that are underdogs do not always lose.
But they don't win'em consistently either.
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In any event this is nothing but speculation. You can't prove any other team would go undefeated on TCU's schedule, its called speculation.
No, its called a near mathmatical certainty/
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Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:19 am to secfan123
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No, it isn't. The disparity in scheduling is mindboggling.
I agree: TCU scheduled every team in their conference regardless of record PLUS 2 BCS teams and a C-USA team.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:21 am to secfan123
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the single dumbest playcall thus far in the post season
I fail to see how a playcall that resulted in a Wisconsin player being wide arse open in the endzone a dumb playcall. It's up to the players to execute, and TCU's all-american was up to the challenge to stop it. While TCU was being gashed a bit by the run on that drive, a run play is not an absolute guarantee to score.
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a sub-par Big 10 "Champion"
What gives you the right to call Wisconsin sub-par? They were considered one of the hottest teams in the country at the season's end. Is every team not labelled SEC sub-par?
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:22 am to secfan123
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You're a communist arent you?
Nothing in my posts suggest I favor state ownership of all means of production.
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If these teams wnt more respect, go independent and schedule every tough game you can (ala FSU in late 70's, 80's).
Its a shame you don't understand how the world works, but teams can't just schedule who they want, someone has to agree to play them. TCU was supposed to play Texas this year, but UT backed out. They also tried to get TT who has bailed on them. This is not the 70's or 80's anymore. Even if teams like Boise and TCU can not just go independent and schedule games because most conferences play 8-9 conference games so the big teams don't have as many open dates.
All then can do is win every game. TCU had a weak schedule and pummled everyone they played pretty much. They earned a spot in a BCS bowl and won it. They deserve props for that, sorry if it gives SEC fans a sandy vagina to hear there are good teams else where in CFB.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:23 am to Bleeding purple
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I agree: TCU scheduled every team in their conference regardless of record PLUS 2 BCS teams and a C-USA team.
I want to see TCU play Texas and Texas A&M more when they're in the BE. There will be no legitimate reason for Mack Brown and company to turn down a home and home against a dominant team from a BCS conference.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:24 am to secfan123
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No, they would.
link?
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But they don't win'em consistently either.
some do, some don't.
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No, its called a near mathmatical certainty/
then prove it with math. xiv and trackfan have given formulas supporting their rankings with numbers, do the same or its just speculation on your part*
I'm dying to see math that shows something that didn't happen.
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:27 am to niner81
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I fail to see how a playcall that resulted in a Wisconsin player being wide arse open in the endzone a dumb playcall.
because they didn't score. See what actually happened is no where near as important as what some message board guru's claim would have happened
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:30 am to Bleeding purple
IMHO - Florida would have had a big problem with the Frogs if they were scheduled to face them at TCU...
...upon realization that TCU doesn't stand for Tallahassee Central University.
(because the Gators are incapable of playing OOC games outside the state of Florida
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...upon realization that TCU doesn't stand for Tallahassee Central University.
(because the Gators are incapable of playing OOC games outside the state of Florida
)Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:32 am to Bench McElroy
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I want to see TCU play Texas and Texas A&M more when they're in the BE
Hey that would be great, would ya mind telling them that they need to keep their end of the bargin then.
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There will be no legitimate reason for Mack Brown and company to turn down a home and home against a dominant team from a BCS conference.
MB has made it clear he has no intention of playing dominant teams outside of the Big 12 during the reg season. The ultimate reason for not playing TCU is money. If this is a hard concept to understand I suggest a little research.
BTW: you didnt take my C-USA trap..
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:37 am to trackfan
quote:It's actually not tedious for me at this point since I have that formula stored; it would be a simple copy/paste into a spreadsheet, and poof! my SOS would revert back to eliminating the reflective way I use now.
xiv, while I appreciate your objective approach to the issue of schedule strength, I must point out that any system that includes the games involving the team in question in their opponent's winning percentage is an inherently flawed system, since it weakens a team's schedule strength every time it wins a game. I do realize that it's more complicated and tedious to exclude these games, but I still can't put much stock in your ranking system as long as it has this built-in flaw.
But, I respectfully disagree with your assessment that it is a "built-in flaw" (and would like to hear more of why you call it so), and I remember exactly when I decided to do it this way (and why I thought that the way you prefer, and not my way, is flawed).
LSU had just beaten Georgia on 12/6/3 for the SEC title. That was the second time the Tigers had beaten the Bulldogs that year; Georgia was 10-3. I guess it was simply a matter of preference in theory: Did LSU beat a 10-1 team twice, or did they beat a 10-3 team twice?
Georgia was 10-3, so I say LSU beat a 10-3 team twice.
Did this hurt LSU's rating? No. LSU's winning percentage that night went from .909 to .917, and their SOS went from about .504 to about .509 (give or take a few thousandths). I always have made sure to make it impossible for your rating to decrease when you win, assuming your SOS holds (obviously, if you have a really strong SOS and then you play and beat Akron, your SOS takes a huge hit and your rating likely decreases slightly).
Do you have a system? You seem adept enough in conversations like these that you would/could/should have one. lsumatt, SpidermanTUBA, and I had a TigerDroppings mock-BCS with our systems last year, and I bet we could have some fun with one next year if you'd care to put in the work.
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