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re: How would your school do vs. this schedule
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:38 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:38 am to H-Town Tiger
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Nothing in my posts suggest I favor state ownership of all means of production.
Communist are generally interested in making everyone the same, regardless of wether they are or not.
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Its a shame you don't understand how the world works, but teams can't just schedule who they want, someone has to agree to play them. TCU was supposed to play Texas this year, but UT backed out. They also tried to get TT who has bailed on them.
FSU was good abut playing One and dones. TCU should go independent like BYU.
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This is not the 70's or 80's anymore. Even if teams like Boise and TCU can not just go independent and schedule games because most conferences play 8-9 conference games so the big teams don't have as many open dates.
Yet, you have teams ike Boise backing out of a chance to ply NEbraska.
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All then can do is win every game. TCU had a weak schedule and pummled everyone they played pretty much.
By that logic, a team that plays 1AA and goes undefeated deserves a shot. After all, tey played everyone on their schedule, right?
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They earned a spot in a BCS bowl and won it.
Earned a spot by playing a shitty schedule. I don't call that earning.
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They deserve props for that, sorry if it gives SEC fans a sandy vagina to hear there are good teams else where in CFB.
No, after New Years, its the Big 10 with a sandy vagina. BTW, you still haven't read my pot very clearly. I said several spots up I was just arguing to be a dick.
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Posted on 1/3/11 at 10:43 am to secfan123
quote:If winning the Rose Bowl was the Frogs' goal, they actually played the perfect schedule. They did everything they needed to do to get to a BCS bowl and win it. Obviously they were smart enough to do what worked.
Earned a spot by playing a shitty schedule. I don't call that earning.
Sounds like you're being a hater.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 11:10 am to xiv
I'm a lifelong LSU and SEC football fan, but I don't understand why my fellow SEC fans need constant reassuring about the strength of the conference or the weakness of another's. It's kind of pathetic.
Why beat up on TCU? They are a very good team, and they beat a very good Wisky team. But with that schedule, they will never play in the NC game, and rightly so. So what's the problem?
And TCU this year in the SEC, due to good QB play and great coaching, wouldve done fine. Not undefeated, but still good. They are certainly better than Ole Miss, Tenn, UGA, Vandy, KY.
Why beat up on TCU? They are a very good team, and they beat a very good Wisky team. But with that schedule, they will never play in the NC game, and rightly so. So what's the problem?
And TCU this year in the SEC, due to good QB play and great coaching, wouldve done fine. Not undefeated, but still good. They are certainly better than Ole Miss, Tenn, UGA, Vandy, KY.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 11:43 am to secfan123
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Communist are generally interested in making everyone the same, regardless of wether they are or not.
I never said anything about making anyone the same.. TCU is not the same as Miss State, TCU is much better than Miss State.
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FSU was good abut playing One and dones. TCU should go independent like BYU.
Again this is not the 70's or 80's. Back then not only was FSU an independent but so where several other teams, including power houses like Notre Dame and Penn State and Miami (who became a power around the same time as FSU) and other teams like So Carolina, Syracuse, West Va, Tulane etc, etc. In addition, the SEC played only 6 conference games, leaving 5 opne dates. The Big 8 and SWC also played fewer than 8 conference games, leaving teams with more dates and more ops for FSU. That world doesn't exist anymore. So going independent will not enable them to play better games. The closest BCS conference to TCU is going from 8 conf games to 9. TCU can not just schedule whoever they want, other teams have to agree. Given that TCU has played at OU, Texas, tOSU and Clemson in recent years, I don't think they are afraid to play anyone.
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Yet, you have teams ike Boise backing out of a chance to ply NEbraska.
that's nice, but we are talking about TCU, not boise, but I don't think that's actually what happened. Boise did not schedule then back out ofa game with NU. I believe the story was they wanted a home and home and wouldn't take a 1 and done or 2 for 1 deal. Boise is, however playing at UGA next year.
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By that logic, a team that plays 1AA and goes undefeated deserves a shot. After all, tey played everyone on their schedule, right?
No, to qualify for a bowl teams must have 6 wins vs FBS teams, so a team that plays and beats 12 FCS teams would not be eligible. You would not embarass yourself in these debates if you would take a couple of minutes to familiarize your self with the basic rules.
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Earned a spot by playing a shitty schedule. I don't call that earning.
sigh.
Here are the requirements to make a BCS bowl. There is no qualification that says a teams schedule must be deemed strong enough by SEC message board crybaby fans.
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3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:
A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.
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I was just arguing to be a dick.
I thought you saying I was just arguing to be a dick. In that case, congratulations, you are successful on that part
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/3/11 at 11:58 am to H-Town Tiger
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I never said anything about making anyone the same.. TCU is not the same as Miss State, TCU is much better than Miss State.
How do you know? You have zero basis for comparison.
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Again this is not the 70's or 80's. Back then not only was FSU an independent but so where several other teams, including power houses like Notre Dame and Penn State and Miami (who became a power around the same time as FSU) and other teams like So Carolina, Syracuse, West Va, Tulane etc, etc. In addition, the SEC played only 6 conference games, leaving 5 opne dates. The Big 8 and SWC also played fewer than 8 conference games, leaving teams with more dates and more ops for FSU. That world doesn't exist anymore. So going independent will not enable them to play better games.
BYU disagrees, but oh well.
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The closest BCS conference to TCU is going from 8 conf games to 9. I know this is hard for you to understand, but TCU can not just schedule whoever they want, other teams have to agree. Given that TCU has played at OU, Texas, tOSU and Clemson in recent years, I don't think they are afraid to play anyone.
Got to do it week in and week out. Its the grind that wears teams down. Teams in the SEC had to play anywhere from 5 to 7 ranked teams this year.
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that's nice, but we are talking about TCU, not boise, but I don't think that's actually what happened. Boise did not schedule then back out ofa game with NU. I believe the story was they wanted a home and home and wouldn't take a 1 and done or 2 for 1 deal.
Something here about beggars and choosers. As I said, FSU never had a problem with a one and done scenario.
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Boise is, however playing at UGA next year.
I'd rather play Georgia than NEbraska too.
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No, to qualify for a bowl teams must have 6 wins vs FBS teams, so a team that plays and beats 12 FCS teams would not be eligible. You would not embarass yourself in these debates if you would take a couple of minutes to familiarize your self with the basic rules.
I know the basic rules, now reconsider your logic.
IF team A goes undefeated, regardless of schedule, they deserve to play. I'm saying no, their victories must warrant playing in a BCS bowl. How does failing to even play a team that finished in the top 25 warrant such a reward? Are we to reward mediocrity now? Clearly I'm arguing going above the current requirements.
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Sigh
Yes clearly a team wo plays a strength of schedule of number 67, doesn't play a top 25 team all year, and played only 4 or 5 bowl teams deserves to play in the rose bowl.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 12:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I thought you saying I was just arguing to be a dick. In that case, congratulations, you are successful on that part
finally picked up on it. Truth is, I misread a post a while back and thought "national title" instead of Rose bowl (working on about two hours sleep). I realized my mistake and instead of admitting it like a gentleman, I just said, "Nah, frick it. I'll just go with it."
Posted on 1/3/11 at 12:18 pm to secfan123
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Yet, you have teams ike Boise backing out of a chance to ply NEbraska.
That's a lie. Nebraska tried to lowball them and when they refused their insult of an offer, Nebraska went out and scheduled 1-AA South Dakota State and paid them $375,000. The going rate for a one-and-none against ranked 1-A teams is $1 million minimum. Virginia Tech paid Boise State $1.25 this season. Georgia is paying them $1.4 million next season.
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By that logic, a team that plays 1AA and goes undefeated deserves a shot. After all, tey played everyone on their schedule, right?
Wrong! No 1-AA team would ever be strong enough in the computer to play for the championship. In 2007, even if the voters had unanimously voted Hawaii #1, the computers would have kept them out of the championship game.
quote:Their schedule was just as tough as Wisconsin's
Earned a spot by playing a shitty schedule. I don't call that earning.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 12:37 pm to biglego
quote:While I agree with everything else in your post, this year's TCU would have played for the title in 2007.
Why beat up on TCU? They are a very good team, and they beat a very good Wisky team. But with that schedule, they will never play in the NC game, and rightly so. So what's the problem?
Posted on 1/3/11 at 12:47 pm to trackfan
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That's a lie.
No, they backed out.
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Nebraska tried to lowball them and when they refused their insult of an offer, Nebraska went out and scheduled 1-AA South Dakota State and paid them $375,000. The going rate for a one-and-none against ranked 1-A teams is $1 million minimum. Virginia Tech paid Boise State $1.25 this season. Georgia is paying them $1.4 million next season.
Beggars can't be choosers. With their shithole of a stadium, they ought to take what they can get. Not back out of playing legitimate teams and then whine about the schedule "not being their fault"
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Wrong! No 1-AA team would ever be strong enough in the computer to play for the championship.
And neither should this team.
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Their schedule was just as tough as Wisconsin's
Really, I thought Wisconsin played a ranked team. Could have sworn they did. If they did, then your statement there was a bald face lie.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 12:50 pm to secfan123
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How do you know? You have zero basis for comparison.
TCU 13-0, Miss State 9-4. 13-0 > 9-4
TCU has 1 vs a top 10 team Wisconsin, Ms St has zero wins vs ranked teams. 1 top win > 0 top 10 wins.
Actually beating teams > losing to ranked teams.
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BYU disagrees, but oh well.
I know you are being a dick and all, but BYU can not disagree that there are now far fewer independents and that conferences are playing more conference games than they did 30 years ago because those are facts. BYU is not going indy so they can toughen up their FB schedule. Some conferences have issues with BYU not playing on Sundays, there are other issues involved.
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Something here about beggars and choosers.
If anything you are begging. Sorry you have a problem with TCU's schedule, but that's your problem, not theirs. They are not complaining about anything. They have made the decision to move to a BCS confernce.
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s I said, FSU never had a problem with a one and done scenario.
There's being a dick and being a moron. This is not the 80's, I've laid out the changes that make the FSU comparision stupid above. The world FSU built up their program doesn't exist anymore and besides, you are the one complaining about the schedule.
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I know the basic rules
Clearly you don't if you think a team can go undefeated playing 12 FCS teams and make a BCS bowl.
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reconsider your logic.
IF team A goes undefeated, regardless of schedule, they deserve to play.
no my logic is, if they met the requires laid out by the BCS, they deserve to be in a BCS bowl. TCU does not deserve to play in the BCS CG this year, they should not be ahead of even a 1 loss Auburn. a 1 loss Oregon yes.
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How does failing to even play a team that finished in the top 25 warrant such a reward? Are we to reward mediocrity now
12-0 is not mediocre, even against a lesser schedule. I've asked others above and they can't answer, maybe you can. If going undefeated on their schedule is so easy, why don't several other teams do it? Shouldn't there be a bunch of Non AQ teams undefetead or with only 1 loss to each other? Going undefeated is difficult. TCU played a weaker schdule and pretty much destroyed everyone, that's an indicator they are much better than those teams.
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Yes clearly a team wo plays a strength of schedule of number 67, doesn't play a top 25 team all year, and played only 4 or 5 bowl teams deserves to play in the rose bowl.
LINK
here's a link to the BCS website, I don't see anyting about a miminmum SOS # or amount of bowls/ranked teams played. Based on the requirements laid out by the BCS, TCU qualified for a BCS bowl and hence deserved to go.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 12:58 pm to secfan123
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Really, I thought Wisconsin played a ranked team. Could have sworn they did. If they did, then your statement there was a bald face lie.
Please link that SOS is based on number of ranked teams?
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Please link that SOS is based on number of ranked teams?
Why are you still responding? I told you I was doing this for shits and giggles.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:13 pm to secfan123
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Why are you still responding? I told you I was doing this for shits and giggles.
if you keep posting stupid comments, I will refute them whether you are doing it to be a dick or not because I love to argue
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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if you keep posting stupid comments, I will refute whether you are doing it to be a dick or not because I love to argue
The only reason I didn't adit my mix up of "Rose Bowl" and "National Championship Game" earlier. I could have been a bigger man and admitted I didn't read carefully, but I went the a-hole route. I'm satisfied with my choice
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:27 pm to xiv
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While I agree with everything else in your post, this year's TCU would have played for the title in 2007.
Exactly! The only reason TCU wasn't in the title game this year is because there were two undefeated teams with stronger schedules than them. TCU would have been in the championship game if Alabama hadn't had the greatest collapse in school history and I believe their defense is better suited for a team like Oregon than it is for Wisconsin.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:30 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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If it's that easy, why don't more teams do it?
$$$$$
No SEC school is going to give up that money.
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FWIW USCe would have been waxed by TCU.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:31 pm to GamecockAlum
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$$$$$
No SEC school is going to give up that money.
that does not explain why there are not more frequent 0 or 1 loss Non AQ teams.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:37 pm to Bench McElroy
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A Patterson coached defense against Garcia would be ugly.
We faced 8 or 9 teams that have more talented defenses than you this year. Unless you have a Greg Reid cornerback on your defense, Alshon would have feasted on your secondary. Lattimore would have gained at least 100 yards on the ground on you guys, probably by the end of the third quarter.
As for our shitty record in the ACC, so? I'm not happy about it, but I have no control over the fact that our Athletic Department didn't seem to care about the product on the field/court/diamond until this year. Hell even though Eric Hyman is a douchebag, we didn't start turning regular profits in our AD until he showed up. But still, none of our past matters when we are talking about right now. Right now, neither one of our football programs are elite.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:39 pm to GamecockAlum
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We faced 8 or 9 teams that have more talented defenses than you this year
Name them?
Posted on 1/3/11 at 1:41 pm to GamecockAlum
For Tennessee
I'd say probably 10-2 or 9-3, maybe 8-4 but no worse than that.
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vs. Oregon State in Dallas - Toss Up
Tennessee Tech - Win
Baylor - Toss Up
@ SMU - Win
@ Colorado St. - Win
Wyoming - Win
BYU - Toss Up
Air Force - Toss Up
@ UNLV - Win
@ Utah - Toss Up
San Diego State - Win
@ New Mexico - W
I'd say probably 10-2 or 9-3, maybe 8-4 but no worse than that.
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 1:42 pm
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