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re: I rest my case, Buffalo got screwed
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:01 am to lsupride87
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:01 am to lsupride87
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Ball instantly bobbles and WR loses possesion before regaining it OOB
He does not instantly bobble. He caught it, took steps, then fell out of bounds.
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Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
That looks a bit difference. In this instance I would say the receiver caught the ball, and proceeded to make a football move before falling to the ground.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
quote:Yes, THIS is where Buffalo might have actually gotten screwed. I still don't know if they gave him credit for taking a step or two OOB before hitting the ground. What I mean by that is, let's say he had run like 20 steps OOB and then fallen down and the ball came out. It would have been ruled a catch well before he actually fell down.
The same rule being used differently in the same exact game
I can't remember if Romo made slight mention of the movement in real time. I was surprised at the time that it wasn't overturned.
But again, none of this is new. Just because they might have gotten the first call wrong, does not mean the second one was wrong.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:03 am to whatiknowsofar
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caught it, took steps, then fell out of bounds.
Cooks caught it, took steps and then fell, too. He just had a defender rip the ball away instead of a cameraman on the sideline
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:03 am to Eighteen
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if a receiver was laying on the ground after making a catch and a defender ran over and just kicked it out of his hands, you can’t just go “ope he lost the ball doesn’t matter how”
Yeah, because thats equivalent to what happened in the play in question.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:04 am to Eighteen
quote:Depends on how long it was. If it was before he survived the ground, he certainly could. I mean, in your example, the receiver isn't even down by contact, so he SHOULD be trying to do that.
if a receiver was laying on the ground after making a catch and a defender ran over and just kicked it out of his hands, you can’t just go “ope he lost the ball doesn’t matter how”
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:05 am to Eighteen
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if a receiver was laying on the ground after making a catch
You mean if a receiver had possession of the ball after surviving the ground? You mean the exact thing that didn't happen with Cooks?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:06 am to Funky Tide 8
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Yeah, because thats equivalent to what happened in the play in question.
It’s about establishing scenarios where rules and arguments you are making, make sense. Ruling the Cooks play opens up these scenarios.
Now it’s apparently just time based… half a second is ok. 1 second? 2 seconds? 3 seconds?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:06 am to Eighteen
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Cooks caught it, took steps and then fell, too
Lol no he didn't he jumped, got hands on it, and fell down and had it ripped before surviving the ground
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:06 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Umm, when he hits the ground it does
He does not instantly bobble
He never survived the ground in bounds which he had to do as he only had two steps in before falling. Gene even said so. They just never actually commented on the giant bobble as he hits the ground besides Romo and gene just ignored him
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:10 am to whatiknowsofar
He’s on the ground with firm control, the defender rips it out when they are on the ground.
The defender does not have the ball mid air, and the ball isn’t bobbling mid air.
You and others argument is he didn’t “survive the ground” but he is on the ground with the ball. It’s the defender who dislodged it. Which I will accept this argument, but it wasn’t made by Gene on the broadcast and it isn’t in the rules written.
That’s why the argument is now time based, a defender can rip it out within a second or two, longer than that no.
The defender does not have the ball mid air, and the ball isn’t bobbling mid air.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. You and others argument is he didn’t “survive the ground” but he is on the ground with the ball. It’s the defender who dislodged it. Which I will accept this argument, but it wasn’t made by Gene on the broadcast and it isn’t in the rules written.
That’s why the argument is now time based, a defender can rip it out within a second or two, longer than that no.
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 11:12 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:11 am to lsupride87
quote:
, when he hits the ground it does
So, after taking two steps, and not instantly after the catch. Got it.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:12 am to Eighteen
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He’s on the ground with firm control, the defender rips it out when they are on the ground.
On the ground for a tenth of a second with control isnt "surviving the ground"
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:12 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:completely irrelevant. Did he or did he not survive the ground?
So, after taking two steps,
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:13 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:how many tenths was the broncos player on the ground when the ball bobbles ?
On the ground for a tenth of a second with control isnt "surviving the ground"
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:13 am to whatiknowsofar
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On the ground for a tenth of a second with control isnt "surviving the ground"
We’re just arguing in circles at the point, but you at least agree you are now assigning a time element to a DB taking control away from a receiver.
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 11:14 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:15 am to TigerChief94
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:15 am to lsupride87
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completely irrelevant. Did he or did he not survive the ground?
You said he instantly bobbled it. He didnt. I dont think thats a td though. I can see an argument that the ground making the ball move doesnt mean he lost control, but imo I think thats an incomplete.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:16 am to Eighteen
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but you at least agree you are now assigning a time element to a DB taking control away from a receiver.
Of course, that's what surviving the ground is
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:18 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Thank you
I can see an argument that the ground making the ball move doesnt mean he lost control, but imo I think thats an incomplete.
It’s clear the rules are such a way the same team can be on two opposite sides of the same ruling and get screwed. You are agreeing they happened to hallen to the bills yesterday
The bills have nobody to blame but themselves. But the refs and nfl should strive to be better just like players do.
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