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re: Mel Kiper's top 5 for 2013
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:21 pm to TheDarkestNight
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:21 pm to TheDarkestNight
Vince Young matches that description, how'd he do? Logan Thomas is no Cam Newton so don't compare him.
I saw him get shut down twice against Clemson, a defense that gave up 70 points to an 'inferior' Qb. He passed for 399 yards with 1 td and 3 ints. in two games. Oh he can run? Well he only had 24 rushes for 10 yards against them. So, where is all this talent? And you list all these Qbs, how many are from the ACC? Only 4, with BC having two Qbs. Also, Hasselbeck and Vick are 32 plus, while Cam and Stafford are 25 and less. So where is the power shifting too? The SEC could have 3 Qbs drafted in the first round next year, so it looks like the power is shifting towards SEC Qbs. And Manning won the SB last year, an SEC Qb. Also, the SB has been won by 3 SEC Qbs the last 9 years compared to 1 for the ACC, Brad Johnson in 2003.
And what is this crap? Petrino ran a pro-style 'system'. If anything, VT runs a way more gimmicky offense then Arkansas. The NFL is a passing league now. Therefore, if you come from a passing offense in college that uses both shotgun and under center, you are fairly prepared for the NFL.
I saw him get shut down twice against Clemson, a defense that gave up 70 points to an 'inferior' Qb. He passed for 399 yards with 1 td and 3 ints. in two games. Oh he can run? Well he only had 24 rushes for 10 yards against them. So, where is all this talent? And you list all these Qbs, how many are from the ACC? Only 4, with BC having two Qbs. Also, Hasselbeck and Vick are 32 plus, while Cam and Stafford are 25 and less. So where is the power shifting too? The SEC could have 3 Qbs drafted in the first round next year, so it looks like the power is shifting towards SEC Qbs. And Manning won the SB last year, an SEC Qb. Also, the SB has been won by 3 SEC Qbs the last 9 years compared to 1 for the ACC, Brad Johnson in 2003.
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Wilson is a solid guy, but he's a product of Petrino's offensive system and will be a back-up in the NFL
And what is this crap? Petrino ran a pro-style 'system'. If anything, VT runs a way more gimmicky offense then Arkansas. The NFL is a passing league now. Therefore, if you come from a passing offense in college that uses both shotgun and under center, you are fairly prepared for the NFL.
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 1:23 pm
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Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:24 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
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3. Barkevious Mingo
If we are picking him in a 3-4.
I hate Kiper's hair.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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could see sonic sam dropping into the 2nd/3rd if he doesn't run well and doesn't fit a traditional 4-3 (height)
This is some straight up bullshite.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:27 pm to LSU Coyote
If you can rush the passer, you are going to go high in the draft these days... ask bruce irvin
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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i watched almost every VT game with one of my friends i was stationed with who was a Hokie he is no where close to the ability of Cam
Cam played QB and was recruited as a QB Thomas was a TE forced into playing QB b/c Beamer can not recruit or develop QB's for shite since MV7
Yeah I'm not going to exactly take a Mountaineers opinion on Virginia Tech football seriously, especially when you haven't read and/or comprehended anything I've said in the thread.
As for your comparison to Vince Young in another post, what's so bad about that? Young was a productive quarterback before he went off the deep end and it's not like he had any good pass catching threats at Tennessee. Their tight end situation has been garbage for a long time and Kenny Britt just started to emerge last season.
I'm not saying that Logan Thomas will be an elite player and I'm not saying that he will be the next Cam Newton or even Josh Freeman. I'm saying that he has the physical tools that can't be taught. That's why he is such a valuable prospect. As for him being recruited to play tight end, well Josh Freeman was recruited to play Tight End. First round draft pick. Steve Young was this close to being a safety in the NFL. Hall of Famer. If Jake fricking Locker who has the accuracy of a dead moose can be a first round pick, then a guy who is bigger, more mobile, has less health problems, and has a stronger arm than him can be one as well.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:35 pm to TheDarkestNight
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If Jake fricking Locker who has the accuracy of a dead moose can be a first round pick, then a guy who is bigger, more mobile, has less health problems, and has a stronger arm than him can be one as well
That is the thing, there are better Qbs in this draft then Logan Thomas. A team may take him in the first round, but he isn't a first round talent. Josh Freeman was a horrible pick. Eventually teams are going to stop drafting for measurables and start drafting for college production. Guys like VY, Jamarcus Russell, Jake Locker, Josh Freeman, and Ryan Tannehill are drafted because they all measured out great and with the exception of VY were fairly average in college.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:38 pm to TheDarkestNight
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Yeah I'm not going to exactly take a Mountaineers opinion on Virginia Tech football seriously, especially when you haven't read and/or comprehended anything I've said in the thread.
alright noob you need to learn your place on the MSB. I grew up in VA and have watched a shite ton of VT football and have plenty of friends who are alumni. Rational VT fans agree he is great with his feet but needs a ton of work at the QB position. Thing is he wont get taught those skills under beamer
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I'm saying that he has the physical tools that can't be taught
big and fast um ok, he can't read D's or make the throws. Stuff like that comes natural to good QB's
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:39 pm to LSU Coyote
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I hate Kiper's hair.
Blasphemy, it's a masterpiece
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:47 pm to TheDarkestNight
Welcome back GamecockAlum
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:48 pm to TheDarkestNight
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Bray is tall, but rail thin and even though he can lob it deep, he has very little zip on those deep passes.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:49 pm to OneMoreTime
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Welcome back GamecockAlum
I thought the same thing, but is his last alter already banned?
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:49 pm to OneMoreTime
He certainly seems like another GCA alter, although I was going to wait on him to go on a wild rant over Brady, Lebron, or Cam Newton before calling it
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:50 pm to texastiger38
UnbiasedBamaFan is Bench Mcelroy
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:51 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Lebron
He must not have seen the Lebron being a WR thread
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UnbiasedBamaFan is Bench Mcelroy
Ah, okay, I get them all confused. Couldn't remember which GCA alter was outed last.
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:52 pm to OneMoreTime
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UnbiasedBamaFan is Bench Mcelroy
when been known that
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:53 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I know. Was just clarifying for the other guy.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 1:56 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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That is the thing, there are better Qbs in this draft then Logan Thomas. A team may take him in the first round, but he isn't a first round talent. Josh Freeman was a horrible pick. Eventually teams are going to stop drafting for measurables and start drafting for college production. Guys like VY, Jamarcus Russell, Jake Locker, Josh Freeman, and Ryan Tannehill are drafted because they all measured out great and with the exception of VY were fairly average in college.
Let's examine your list:
JaMarcus Russell. He had a bad work ethic and wouldn't stay in shape. That's an attitude problem, not a talent problem. It didn't help that he had the worst coaching staff, receiving personnel, and front office management in the league around him at the time. Even then, he was beginning to improve near the end of his starting days. A bust? Yes. But his problems were unique.
Jake Locker. Hasn't really had a crack at starting yet. He could prove me wrong, but to me he's just a less athletic Tebow.
Freeman did have a great 2010, but the whole team jsut took a massive step back in 2011. He's still an above average quarterback, and I'm confident he'll rebound with the addition of Vincet Jackson (very unnderated receiver).
Tannehill was just drafted so we have no idea what he'll do. I didn't like that pick at all, but it's really not the same comparison as to Logan Thomas. Tannehill started what? 15? 16 games in his college career. Besides, his college head coach is his new team's OC so that can also explain why he went so high.
I've spoken my peace on VY.
I do agree that NFL teams need to pay attention to how a guy produced in colelge, but not necessarily look blindly at the stat sheets. If they did that, then guys like Kellen Moore, Case Keenum, and Colt Brennan would have been top 10 picks. Your numbers at the college level really don't mean a damn thing in the NFL. It's all about your talent, your work ethic, your attitude, and what system/team you go to.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 2:03 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
Why all the hate on mingo?
This is the same DE that ran down lamichale james all the way from the other side of the field, right?
He might not get the #1 stats next year on the team, but that speed and knowledge of the position, he could easily be a top 10 pick with a good season next year.
This is the same DE that ran down lamichale james all the way from the other side of the field, right?
He might not get the #1 stats next year on the team, but that speed and knowledge of the position, he could easily be a top 10 pick with a good season next year.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 2:06 pm to Indfanfromcol
they are hating on logan thomas, not mingo
Posted on 5/2/12 at 2:38 pm to Papa Purple and Gold
UAS Today has a top 10 that Kiper contributed to.
10.Logan Thomas
9.Manti Te'o
8.Mingo
7.D.J. Fluker
6.Marcus Lattimore
5.David Amerson CB NCSt
4.Sam Montgomery
3.Jarvis Jones
2.Robert Wood
1.Barkley
10.Logan Thomas
9.Manti Te'o
8.Mingo
7.D.J. Fluker
6.Marcus Lattimore
5.David Amerson CB NCSt
4.Sam Montgomery
3.Jarvis Jones
2.Robert Wood
1.Barkley
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