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re: MLB Trade Deadline Thread
Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:23 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:23 pm to GynoSandberg
Profar for a rental is stupid. Profar is about as close to a guaranteed prospect as you can get. Jon Daniels is a much better GM than that.
Olt is a good enough prospect to be a headliner in a major deal. I would love for the Rangers to keep Olt, but I would rather have a ToRP.
Olt is a good enough prospect to be a headliner in a major deal. I would love for the Rangers to keep Olt, but I would rather have a ToRP.
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Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:28 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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but Kinsler's bat isn't good enough for the corner OF
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IF Andrus is re-signed, you will see Kinsler in RF with Profar at 2nd. The Rangers outfield next year/year after might be completely different, with 2+ new players out there.
It'll probably be left. That said, it's still 2-3 years away before the Rangers have to worry about Andrus leaving. Being a Boras client, it's unlikely we get an extension prior to his arb years running out. Expect the Yankees to make a big run for him when he hits the market unless he's traded prior to.
This post was edited on 7/27/12 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:29 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
I agree
Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:34 pm to papz
I've always thought you put your weakest defender in RF because the league is right-handed bat heavy. Now, in no way is Kinsler a weak fielder, but he hasn't played the outfield at the Major league level.
Andrus is such an interesting case. You can tell he absolutely loves Texas and wants to be here, but he has Boras as his agent. BUT, Boras and the Rangers have done very high profile deals before (ARod) and also have had clients refuse to re-negotiate (Texiera).
It is definitely between the Yankees and Rangers for sure. If they lose Hamilton, I would think Elvis would resign in Texas.
Andrus is such an interesting case. You can tell he absolutely loves Texas and wants to be here, but he has Boras as his agent. BUT, Boras and the Rangers have done very high profile deals before (ARod) and also have had clients refuse to re-negotiate (Texiera).
It is definitely between the Yankees and Rangers for sure. If they lose Hamilton, I would think Elvis would resign in Texas.
This post was edited on 7/27/12 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:40 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
Weakest arm usually in left. I think he'd make a seamless move to the OF. Eric Byrnes like player out there. I don't think he has the arm for right.
I wish we could approach Andrus like the way Tampa Bay has done with their young players. Lock them up early and share the risk. Damn Boras wouldn't have that here though.
I wish we could approach Andrus like the way Tampa Bay has done with their young players. Lock them up early and share the risk. Damn Boras wouldn't have that here though.
Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:52 pm to papz
Guess that makes sense. Just been spoiled by the Rangers having two cannons in the corners.
I think Kinsler kind of reminds me of Hunter Pence, although maybe not quite as quick. The Rangers are absolutely loaded in the minors in the outfield though. Might be awhile before we see any of them.
I'm just glad they have Profar, so they could afford to lose Elvis. But I don't think the Rangers lose both Hamilton and Elvis, although they till 2014-15 before they have to worry about Elvis.
I think Kinsler kind of reminds me of Hunter Pence, although maybe not quite as quick. The Rangers are absolutely loaded in the minors in the outfield though. Might be awhile before we see any of them.
I'm just glad they have Profar, so they could afford to lose Elvis. But I don't think the Rangers lose both Hamilton and Elvis, although they till 2014-15 before they have to worry about Elvis.
This post was edited on 7/27/12 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/27/12 at 12:52 pm to papz
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Braves To Sign Miguel Batista
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 27 at 12:50pm CST]
The Braves have agreed to sign Miguel Batista, David Lennon of Newsday reports (on Twitter). The Mets released the 41-year-old right-hander yesterday after designating him for assignment.
Batista posted a 4.82 ERA with 6.6 K/9 and 6.0 BB/9 in 46 2/3 innings for the Mets this year, including five starts. Batista joined the Mets last summer on a minor league deal and signed another with the club in January. The 18-year veteran has a 4.49 ERA with 5.8 K/9 and 4.1 BB/9 in his career.
CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:01 pm to DEANintheYAY
And appear to be out of greinke
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:18 pm to lsu31always
I really hope the Angels make a move for Shields. I think it happens this weekend while the Rays are in town.
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:21 pm to DEANintheYAY
Cubs might just settle to hang onto Dempster and get a comp pick in next year's Draft.
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@Buster_ESPN: There is no current dialogue between the Dodgers and Cubs about Ryan Dempster. Deadline 3 days, 2 hours away.
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:23 pm to bddwolfpack
He would take the offer. Because he's a fricking fig. I really hate Dempster right now.
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:37 pm to bddwolfpack
This is why I don't get the Headley love...
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he has never hit more than 12 home runs in a season, never compiled an .800 OPS, never made an All-Star team and never had a batting average higher than .289.
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:51 pm to GynoSandberg
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Why is that crazy?
Headley > Latos
Cmonnnn Dannnn
I can argue it.
Latos value was inflated by the park he played in, just like Headley's is depressed some.
Both are good players.
Latos is younger, so he has that going for him.
His best WAR season is 4.0.
Headley's is 4.9.
Latos' 2nd best, is 3.2.
Headley's is 3.7 and counting (this year).
Latos' career ERA+ is 105, making him slightly above average.
Headley's career OPS+ is 108, making him still slightly above average, but slightly better.
The two are fairly close all things considered. Headley doesn't give you the type of power you typically covet from a CI, but he's got solid speed and 20 HR potential in a park that doesn't suck it out of him.
This post was edited on 7/27/12 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:53 pm to bddwolfpack
A lot of that is park factors.
Posted on 7/27/12 at 1:56 pm to OBUDan
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he's got solid speed and 20 HR potential in a park that doesn't suck it out of him.
how do these extra base hits number factor into that theory? 21 doubles and 1 triple.
or are they irrelevant?
Posted on 7/27/12 at 2:10 pm to Rohan2Reed
I wish Hit Tracker charted long outs, so I could see.
His average HR distance is 397, so he's not Juan Pierre or something.
I'm not saying he's a 30 HR guy waiting to bust out stuck in PETCO.
But going from 12 to 20 isn't unreasonable.
If you got a guy who is a .270/.360/.440 line with 20 bombs, 15 swipes and plus defense, that's a pretty good player.
His ops+ the last two seasons is 120+, and that's park adjusted. To me that says he would probably post an ops over .800 pretty easily if he played in a more offensive friendly park more regularly.
His average HR distance is 397, so he's not Juan Pierre or something.
I'm not saying he's a 30 HR guy waiting to bust out stuck in PETCO.
But going from 12 to 20 isn't unreasonable.
If you got a guy who is a .270/.360/.440 line with 20 bombs, 15 swipes and plus defense, that's a pretty good player.
His ops+ the last two seasons is 120+, and that's park adjusted. To me that says he would probably post an ops over .800 pretty easily if he played in a more offensive friendly park more regularly.
This post was edited on 7/27/12 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/27/12 at 2:19 pm to OBUDan
all good points. but does an uber smaller ballpark like in Cincinnati take away his extra base hits by turning them into outs? not sure if he's a line-drive hitter or more fly-ball.
Posted on 7/27/12 at 2:21 pm to OBUDan
Can you explain those "+" stats to me?
How to they figure them and how do they factor ballparks?
What is a good number to have?
How to they figure them and how do they factor ballparks?
What is a good number to have?
Posted on 7/27/12 at 2:24 pm to GynoSandberg
From Peter Gammons on Twitter:
@pgammo: Chase Headley last two years away from Petco:.305 ave., .871 OPS. Only 3B this year with a higher OPS in 2012 are Wright, Cabrera, Freese
@pgammo: Chase Headley last two years away from Petco:.305 ave., .871 OPS. Only 3B this year with a higher OPS in 2012 are Wright, Cabrera, Freese
Posted on 7/27/12 at 2:30 pm to GynoSandberg
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How to they figure them and how do they factor ballparks?
They are park and league adjusted.
100 is considered average.
So if you have an ERA of 3.98 in PETCO (or any pitcher's park) and the league average of the NL is 4.00, your ERA+ is going to be right around 100, maybe a tick over.
So basically low ERA + hitter's park = super great ERA+ (i.e. Pedro in 2000).
The higher you are over 100, the "better" you are.
The idea was to create a number that made it a little easier to compare player to player while considering other factors.
So, if you have an ERA+ of 120, you are 20% better than the league average and on up the scale. Each point over or under the 100 is a percentage point.
OPS+ is the same way.
ETA: I am not sure exactly what or how they use to figure the ball park factors.
This post was edited on 7/27/12 at 2:31 pm
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