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re: NBA All-Star Game
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:22 am to GamecockAlum
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:22 am to GamecockAlum
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You keep saying that LeBron is better than Kobe yet have nothing to back it up with
Here we go again with the PROVE IT. Why don't you back up your thinking that Kobe is better with proof, individual proof.
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As a shooter, it's no comparison, Kobe > LeBron
What's more important, being a "shooter" or shooting a higher FG%?
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Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:23 am to GamecockAlum
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And yet, managed to lead his team in scoring
How is it relevant?
Of course you'll lead your team in scoring if you shoot 24 times.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:25 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Don't bring this up again. You really think Duncan is a better player (career wise) than Kobe though?
1. Duncan may be the best to EVER play his position.
2. I don't have a dog in the fight, but if you compare there career achievements, it's certainly not just an automatic thing, IMO.
Duncan is so underrated, it's ridiculous.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:28 am to BayouBengals03
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Duncan is the greatest player to ever play his position
I'll ask my mailman about this.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:30 am to GamecockAlum
But for real, I think Duncan is better than Malone.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:32 am to GamecockAlum
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I'll ask my mailman about this.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:33 am to shel311
Oh, but 4 rings>0 rings, so that choker the Mailman can't possibly be better than Duncan. 
This post was edited on 2/21/11 at 2:34 am
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:33 am to shel311
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What's more important, being a "shooter" or shooting a higher FG%?
Kobe's free throw percentage is 6.1% higher than LeBrons. LeBron's FG percentage is 2.5% higher than Kobe's. LBJ'S 3 Percentage is 3% higher than Kobe's. That's still a net of .6% in Kobe's favor. Besides, I'd hop a guy like LeBron who works closer to the basket more often than Kobe would have a higher FG% percentage.
LeBron is probably the better scorer, but Kobe is the better shooter. To explain this further, Dirk is a top 5-10 shooter, but he is not a top 5 scorer.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:35 am to shel311
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f course you'll lead your team in scoring if you shoot 24 times.
I wonder why he was given the ball to shoot 24 times. Hmmmm.... I wonder why that could be....
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:37 am to GamecockAlum
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Kobe's free throw percentage is 6.1% higher than LeBrons. LeBron's FG percentage is 2.5% higher than Kobe's. LBJ'S 3 Percentage is 3% higher than Kobe's. That's still a net of .6% in Kobe's favor
Really? That's how you wanna compute that?
You realize there's a stat called true shooting % that factors in all of that stuff? And guess which player's TS% is higher?
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LeBron is probably the better scorer, but Kobe is the better shooter. To explain this further, Dirk is a top 5-10 shooter, but he is not a top 5 scorer.
Right, and I'll take the better scorer 1000 out of 1000 times.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:42 am to shel311
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Duncan is so underrated, it's ridiculous.
Who is underrating him? Underappreciated? Sure. A lot of that stems from the shenanigans his teams pull in winning NBA titles (Bruce Bowen can go choke on a bear's dick).
I can't put a guy who went 20.7 + 11.5 over a 25 and 10 guy who was a better shooter and averaged more assists, steals, and blocks as well. Just not going to happen.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:43 am to shel311
While is likely true, Duncan plays PF and Kobe plays SG. Kobe should not be faced with a penalty for sharing the same postion as Jordan, so to me, this is an irrelevant point.
I just feel like Kobe is better overall and this is not a knock on Duncan. His four titles and constant production are great, but marketability and mainstream recognition can greatly help out a player's career like Jordan or Kobe.
I just feel like Kobe is better overall and this is not a knock on Duncan. His four titles and constant production are great, but marketability and mainstream recognition can greatly help out a player's career like Jordan or Kobe.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:44 am to shel311
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Right, and I'll take the better scorer 1000 out of 1000 times.
I'll take the better leader.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:47 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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but marketability and mainstream recognition can greatly help out a player's career like Jordan or Kobe.
Duncan is screwed by the fact that no one gives a shite about San Antonio as a city/sportstown.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 2:48 am to GamecockAlum
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I can't put a guy who went 20.7 + 11.5 over a 25 and 10 guy who was a better shooter and averaged more assists, steals, and blocks as well. Just not going to happen.
4 rings to zero.
Funny that you have absolutely no problems putting Kobe ahead of Lebron now despite the fact that Lebron has been better in most statistical categories as well. Weird how that works.
ETA: More PPG, steals, blocks, rebounds, assists, higher FG%. you have no problem there with Lebron/Kobe, but you have a problem with Duncan being ahead of Malone?
It's interesting that you came up with every kind of an excuse to avoid answering the parker vs Paul argument, then you backed yourself into an even better contradiction, lol.
This post was edited on 2/21/11 at 2:58 am
Posted on 2/21/11 at 3:04 am to shel311
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4 rings to zero.
Funny that you have absolutely no problems putting Kobe ahead of Lebron now despite the fact that Lebron has been better in most statistical categories as well. Weird how that works.
Malone > Duncan dude. It's not a debate. Outside of rebounding, every bit of Malone's game was better than Duncan's.
You want to talk about numbers?
# 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)
# NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
# 13× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011)
# 2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
# 8× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2010)
# 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
# 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
# 8× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)
# 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)
# NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
# 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)
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# 2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2009–2010)
# NBA Rookie of the Year (2004)
# 7× NBA All-Star (2005–2011)
# NBA Scoring Champion (2008)
# 4× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008–2010)
# 2× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
# 2× All-Defensive First Team (2009–2010)
# NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
# 2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
You wanted the statistics, you got them.
And when LBJ - the "better" scorer - can throw up over 35 points a night with Chris Mihm/Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, Brian Cook/Devean George and Smush fricking Parker being your teammates, then get at me.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 3:10 am to GamecockAlum
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Malone > Duncan dude. It's not a debate.
I love how everything is so obvious and never a debate to you, lol.
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You wanted the statistics, you got them.
15 years vs 8 years. WOW, you got me. And I've NEVER argued who has a better career. It's who is better right now. Kinda hard to argue a better career when someone has played twice as long.
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And when LBJ - the "better" scorer - can throw up over 35 points a night with Chris Mihm/Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, Brian Cook/Devean George and Smush fricking Parker being your teammates, then get at me.
Ahhh, so i'll never be correct because Lebron will never play with those guys? You don't actually realize how terrible your logic is?
Hey, when Kobe can average 7 assists and 7 rebounds in ONE season(Lebron averages it for his career btw), and also throw in 27-30 PPG and lead a team to the Finals with Pavlovic/Goode/Hughes getting serious minutes, GET AT ME!!!
This post was edited on 2/21/11 at 3:12 am
Posted on 2/21/11 at 3:23 am to shel311
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ETA: More PPG, steals, blocks, rebounds, assists, higher FG%. you have no problem there with Lebron/Kobe, but you have a problem with Duncan being ahead of Malone?
I love how you ignore the fact that Malone and Duncan played the same position while Kobe and LeBron don't. Even then, Malone was better in every single facet except for rebounds. Since each became a full time starter, their career PPG are less than .3 PPG in difference. LeBron's field goal percentage is higher (due to the nature of his position), but Kobe's 3-Point, FT, and TO numbers are better. LeBron has the Rebounding totals (due to his position), blocks, assists and has a slight lead in steals, but Kobe has also average 4 less minutes in his career.
Either way, Kobe has 7 more year of experience under his belt and is putting up comparable offensive numbers despite athleticism, youth, and positioning being in LeBron's favor. At this point in time, Kobe is the better player. LeBron will pass him at some point in the next 2 seasons, but it won't be this year.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 3:24 am to GamecockAlum
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Malone > Duncan dude. It's not a debate.
It is a debate. Most people regard Duncan as the greatest power forward of all-time. So it's definitely a debate.
Posted on 2/21/11 at 3:31 am to shel311
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I love how everything is so obvious and never a debate to you, lol.
This coming from the guy who won't even question the statement that Duncan is the best PF of all time and won't even listen to factual evidence in the Kobe-LeBron debate. You are ignorant and stubborn dude. You have the critical thinking skills of a goat and the personality and reasoning of one to boot.
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15 years vs 8 years. WOW, you got me. And I've NEVER argued who has a better career. It's who is better right now. Kinda hard to argue a better career when someone has played twice as long.
And yet you can't give a reason why LeBron is better. Is it the rebounds? Is it the fact that he has more dunks and shots in the post? Maybe it's because he's a better point forward?
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Ahhh, so i'll never be correct because Lebron will never play with those guys? You don't actually realize how terrible your logic is?
Apparently you can't read between the lines. Outside of his first 2 seasons in the league, LeBron has never had a supporting cast that bad. Do I need to spell it out further for you or do you think you can comprehend what I am saying now?
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Hey, when Kobe can average 7 assists and 7 rebounds in ONE season(Lebron averages it for his career btw), and also throw in 27-30 PPG and lead a team to the Finals with Pavlovic/Goode/Hughes getting serious minutes, GET AT ME!!!
And when LeBron can put together back to back 30 ppg seasons (he is the better scorer right?) and lead his team to 3 consecutive NBA titles come back at me with a real debate, because right now, it's clear Kobe is the better basketball player.
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