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re: NBA MVP Race
Posted on 3/13/12 at 12:21 am to TulaneTigerFan
Posted on 3/13/12 at 12:21 am to TulaneTigerFan
Fair enough
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Posted on 3/13/12 at 12:26 am to jturn17
I mean, he was still the best player on their team by a landslide. Not disagreeing with you, though.
He played decent in game 2 (great at the end). And good in games 3 and 5.
He played decent in game 2 (great at the end). And good in games 3 and 5.
This post was edited on 3/13/12 at 12:27 am
Posted on 3/13/12 at 12:36 am to BayouBengals03
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I mean, he was still the best player on their team by a landslide. Not disagreeing with you, though.
He played decent in game 2 (great at the end). And good in games 3 and 5.
I'd say he had 2.5 good games, and yea he's their best player. And the reason he had a so-so series was because the Heat keyed on him and Haslem did a great job. The same could be said for the Mavs and LeBron. He was constantly double teamed and taken out of his comfort zone.
My only point was that we let the results dictate too much of our perceptions of what happened. It was apparent to me the Mavs were going to win that series once Jason f'in Terry started hitting 3 pointers while he was falling out of bounds. At that point, you tip your hat to the other team and say good job.
Dirk was considered a choker his entire career, completely unfairly, until this playoffs. And I stand by that he wasn't the reason they won. But this is the world we live in, stupid as it may be.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 12:42 am to jturn17
Yep.
Marion played fantastic defense and made a lot of big plays on offense.
Carlisle finally let Stevenson play more minutes, which helped a ton. Because whenever Jason Terry wasn't hitting shots, he wasn't very valuable. Stevenson never took bad shots. Just wide open threes that he could make. And, of course, he is a great defender.
And the Mavs were really deep. They were just a great team.
Still, I can't believe they won. Always brings a smile to my face.
Marion played fantastic defense and made a lot of big plays on offense.
Carlisle finally let Stevenson play more minutes, which helped a ton. Because whenever Jason Terry wasn't hitting shots, he wasn't very valuable. Stevenson never took bad shots. Just wide open threes that he could make. And, of course, he is a great defender.
And the Mavs were really deep. They were just a great team.
Still, I can't believe they won. Always brings a smile to my face.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 1:10 am to BayouBengals03
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Still, I can't believe they won. Always brings a smile to my face.
Me neither. Team of destiny, in my opinion. Something I've never seen in the NBA. It was like watching a college team catch fire going into the tournament. Simply unbelievable they were able to keep up that shooting for that many games.
Hell. If Miami's shooters don't go stone cold in games 2, 4 and 6 we're talking about "how many titles will Miami win in a row." It's amazing the Heat lost games 2 and 4 by by 5 total points when they shot 9-30 and 2-14 from 3 point in those games.
Just goes to show you how the thinnest of margins can greatly sway public opinion.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 1:13 am to jturn17
You know the conversation is going the wrong way when we are arguing Lebron being clutch but talk about Dirk not being clutch in last years finals. That finals adds to my point about Wade being the clutch guy on the Heat. It came finals time and Wade led both teams in scoring and Lebron literally disappears. I don't care if Lebron hits some game winners in the regular season good for him. How bout you do something when it really matters, you don't get considered clutch from regular season games when you've had that many playoff opportunities. What have you done in the playoffs? Apparently wining doesn't matter though and you'll give some Lebron is clutch in the playoffs stat that proves otherwise and Dirk only had 1.75 good games and Lebron had 0.89 good games so he wasn't that far behind Dirk in the finals stat. O well just a good debate I mean no harm by any of my comments I just get tired of Lebron defenders. He's gets his MVP's and will continue to do so but the dude can't even take a final shot in the all star game. He doesn't have the Kobe and Jordan give me the ball and you're about to pay mentality. He's considered the best so I think it's legit to compare him with the greats.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 1:15 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:There's about 10,000 people on the other side of the spectrum, and they're usually infinitely more annoying and unintelligent.
I just get tired of Lebron defenders.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 1:24 am to iwyLSUiwy
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You know the conversation is going the wrong way when we are arguing Lebron being clutch but talk about Dirk not being clutch in last years finals. That finals adds to my point about Wade being the clutch guy on the Heat. It came finals time and Wade led both teams in scoring and Lebron literally disappears. I don't care if Lebron hits some game winners in the regular season good for him. How bout you do something when it really matters, you don't get considered clutch from regular season games when you've had that many playoff opportunities. What have you done in the playoffs? Apparently wining doesn't matter though and you'll give some Lebron is clutch in the playoffs stat that proves otherwise and Dirk only had 1.75 good games and Lebron had 0.89 good games so he wasn't that far behind Dirk in the finals stat. O well just a good debate I mean no harm by any of my comments I just get tired of Lebron defenders. He's gets his MVP's and will continue to do so but the dude can't even take a final shot in the all star game. He doesn't have the Kobe and Jordan give me the ball and you're about to pay mentality. He's considered the best so I think it's legit to compare him with the greats.
Great rant. Now, do you have something to actually add to the conversation because nowhere have I defended LeBron. I've only attacked our ridiculous views and perceptions of what is and isn't clutch. Or why we even think such a silly concept exists.
Bosh is shooting nearly 60% in close late game situations. Do you think he's clutch? Kobe is shooting 30% this season in late situations. How about him? Over Kobe's career he's a 30% on last second shots to win or tie. Is he clutch?
Why is just shooting clutch? If the defender makes the stop, is that not a clutch play?
This is the only thing I've even talked about in this entire thread. (that and misperceptions of what actually occurred in the NBA finals after someone said their definition of clutch was Dirk lol even though for 10 years he wasn't considered anything near clutch.)
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He doesn't have the Kobe and Jordan give me the ball and you're about to pay mentality.
This tells me all I need to know about your basketball history knowledge and acumen. That you even think those two have the same mentality is just ridiculous to me.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 8:27 am to NawlinsTiger9
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I feel like the only reason he didn't win it last year was because of the backlash from "The Decision"
this plus you had rose, who had a team that was a lot better AND a ton of media hype behind him
it should have been dwight last year. if dwight was in chicago and rose was in orlando, dwight would have won
Posted on 3/13/12 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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it should have been dwight last year
If you go by best player, it was Lebron.
If you go by most valuable, it was Dwight.
Rose wouldn't finish 1st in either of those instances, he should not have won it.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 8:30 am to jturn17
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once Jason f'in Terry started hitting 3 pointers while he was falling out of bounds.
jason terry was the biggest difference maker (in terms of rising play) on the mavs
the second biggest advantage for the mavs was lebron going insane (in a bad way)
Posted on 3/13/12 at 8:31 am to shel311
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If you go by best player, it was Lebron.
If you go by most valuable, it was Dwight.
i'm eliminating lebron b/c of the backlash
which makes it dwight v. rose, and dwight should have won
Posted on 3/13/12 at 9:55 am to shel311
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If you go by best player, it was Lebron.
If you go by most valuable, it was Dwight.
This is what it has been for the past 4 years or so
Posted on 3/13/12 at 1:11 pm to shel311
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If you go by best player, it was Lebron. If you go by most valuable, it was Dwight.
FWIW, Dwight's PER and overall stats were only very marginally worse than Lebron's last year. Lebron was only the best player last year by a fairly small margin (unless I misremembered).
This year, Lebron is not playing the same game.
Posted on 3/13/12 at 1:12 pm to jturn17
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My only point was that we let the results dictate too much of our perceptions of what happened.
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Dirk was considered a choker his entire career, completely unfairly, until this playoffs. And I stand by that he wasn't the reason they won. But this is the world we live in, stupid as it may be.
This was a perfect post.
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It was apparent to me the Mavs were going to win that series once Jason f'in Terry started hitting 3 pointers while he was falling out of bounds.
I love the JET. I have his headband.
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