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re: New Jersey Nets want CP3...
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:43 am to tigerguy121
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:43 am to tigerguy121
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These trade CP3 threads always go 8+ pages and are nothing but spiraling hypotheticals that have no basis in reality.
Can't we discuss the trading of Cp3 when there is at least some smoke before we start yelling fire?
this. and frick the nets. they can't have him.
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Posted on 6/10/10 at 10:04 am to quail man
I'm sure many Dallas fans thought Hershel Walker was untradeable back in the day. His trade turned them into a dynasty, and I think that's the kind of deal we'd be talking about here if anything were to happen. Depending on what direction you went with the #3 and #11 pick, you'd either have a damn good 1-3 paired with a pretty good 4 and 5, or a damn good 3-5 paired with a pretty good 1 and 2.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 12:44 pm to TigerinATL
couple of things that need to be pointed out
there will be a lockout for the 2011/2012 season so anything that happens this off season is basically a one season (2010/2011) impact
every player with a Player Option this summer is opting out to try to sign a deal under this CBA and also the next salary cap. It is expected that the salary cap for next season will be lower but the salary/luxury tax structure after the lockout is a complete unknown.
CP3 had his meniscus REMOVED and for a guy that bases his entire game on his quickness he will never have a higher value than he has right now
the Hornets have two main problems, one on the court and one off the court
on the court: they are one of the worst rebounding teams in the League and they cant protect the basket
25th in the league in RPG
17th in the league in Opponents RPG
26th in the league in Rebound differential
30th in the league in BPG
off the court:
they are hooked into some terrible contracts that end at a very poor time. Meaning MoPete and Peja expiring arent worth a shite because no one will be trading for 2011/2012 cap space (and luxury tax payments now) when there probably wont be a full 2011/2012 season
so they need to get some young athletic bigs and just accept that Peja and MoPete are probably going to expire with no return.
So that leaves the remaining big three contracts, CP3/Okafor/Posey. Can the Hornets make a move that helps them in 2010/2011 but also sets them up fopr the new CBA after the 2011/2012 lockout? With a CP3 move you bet they can.
Now as for as the NJN issues. Keep in mind they are probably going to play in Newark for at least 2 seasons. So the Russian Mark Cuban needs a splash to make his team relevant in the mean time. LBJ is not going there and neither is any other big UFA. So that leaves him needing to make a trade.
there will be a lockout for the 2011/2012 season so anything that happens this off season is basically a one season (2010/2011) impact
every player with a Player Option this summer is opting out to try to sign a deal under this CBA and also the next salary cap. It is expected that the salary cap for next season will be lower but the salary/luxury tax structure after the lockout is a complete unknown.
CP3 had his meniscus REMOVED and for a guy that bases his entire game on his quickness he will never have a higher value than he has right now
the Hornets have two main problems, one on the court and one off the court
on the court: they are one of the worst rebounding teams in the League and they cant protect the basket
25th in the league in RPG
17th in the league in Opponents RPG
26th in the league in Rebound differential
30th in the league in BPG
off the court:
they are hooked into some terrible contracts that end at a very poor time. Meaning MoPete and Peja expiring arent worth a shite because no one will be trading for 2011/2012 cap space (and luxury tax payments now) when there probably wont be a full 2011/2012 season
so they need to get some young athletic bigs and just accept that Peja and MoPete are probably going to expire with no return.
So that leaves the remaining big three contracts, CP3/Okafor/Posey. Can the Hornets make a move that helps them in 2010/2011 but also sets them up fopr the new CBA after the 2011/2012 lockout? With a CP3 move you bet they can.
Now as for as the NJN issues. Keep in mind they are probably going to play in Newark for at least 2 seasons. So the Russian Mark Cuban needs a splash to make his team relevant in the mean time. LBJ is not going there and neither is any other big UFA. So that leaves him needing to make a trade.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 12:57 pm to supatigah
i just need peja to last at least one more season as a hornet so i can get more use out of my peja head on a stick
Posted on 6/10/10 at 12:58 pm to supatigah
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So that leaves the remaining big three contracts, CP3/Okafor/Posey. Can the Hornets make a move that helps them in 2010/2011 but also sets them up fopr the new CBA after the 2011/2012 lockout? With a CP3 move you bet they can.
Actually it leaves them with 1 big contract. If the 2011/2012 season is locked out, Posey expires. And with the near certainty that another 1 time salary purge will be allowed, Okafor's contract will be able to bought out with no salary cap ramifications. That leaves 1 big contract after 2011/2012, Chris Paul.
I know you like to cherry pick reasons to trade Chris Paul, but for the same reasons that expirings are not as useful, Okafor's and Posey's contracts aren't as damaging.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 1:08 pm to mhasen1
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cherry pick reasons to trade Chris Paul
No need to cherry pick here though. It still may never happen but this is one of those win win trades that makes sense for everyone. If the Nets are able to attract a top tier free agent with Chris Paul and only a 2nd tier free agent without Chris Paul, it's almost like New Orleans is able to throw Bosh or LeBron into the trade. That means they'll get much better value back.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 1:17 pm to TigerinATL
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It still may never happen but this is one of those win win trades that makes sense for everyone
It's a win for the Nets. The Hornets become the Grizzlies with alot of talented players and no stars. The Bulls and the Blazers have become up and coming teams for 4 years now, yet neither can get out of the first round.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 4:22 pm to mhasen1
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The Hornets become the Grizzlies with alot of talented players and no stars.
We have MT5!
MT5 Posted on 6/10/10 at 4:52 pm to mhasen1
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The Hornets become the Grizzlies with alot of talented players and no stars.
It really depends on how legit Favors is. I personally don't get it based on the limited highlights I can find of him, but everyone seems convinced he's a superstar in the making.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 5:51 pm to mhasen1
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It's a win for the Nets.
that is true in the near term but not necessarily true in the long term. Small PGs that rely on their quickness to attack the basket dont have long shelf lifes in the NBA and are historically injury prone
and your comment about the only reason people go to Hornets games is CP3 isnt reflected by the support the team received in the second half of the season when he was out.
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The Hornets become the Grizzlies with alot of talented players and no stars
the Michaal Heisley/chris wallace factor is not present in NOLA, matter of fact Shinn has over paid for talent
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The Bulls
good PG, no SG, no leadership
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the Blazers
good SG, no PG
DC and MT make for a good back court situation for NOLA with or without CP3
frankly I think a move with DC is probably better for the team but I can see a case being made for a CP3 move
i dont think either gets moved though
Posted on 6/10/10 at 5:52 pm to TigerinATL
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It really depends on how legit Favors is. I personally don't get it based on the limited highlights I can find of him, but everyone seems convinced he's a superstar in the making.
DC or CP3 need an athletic big man and he is the real deal
but also the Hornets are REALLY small on the front court and that kills them
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