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re: Notre Dame's Kelly must go?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:34 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:34 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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I also saw on another board someone make a good point. Yes, Tressel said that they were concerned for the cameramen. But maybe it was after someone in the A/V department told him that it was dangerous. I doubt Tress is an expert on what conditions are safe or not. It's entirely possible the expert told him what was. If Kelly's "expert" never told him, how can he be at fault?
And again, we can't simply assume (as lob1284 seems to be doing) that the Notre Dame coach is as involved in the filming process as the Ohio State coach is.
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Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:39 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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how can he be at fault?
BECAUSE HE MADE THE DECISION. maybe tressel had good advice and kelly didn't. either way, it doesn't change the fact that both of them are responsible for the same decision. having advice doesn't change the scope of who decides what.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:41 pm to lob1284
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BECAUSE HE MADE THE DECISION.
He made the decision to practice outside. He did not make the decision (as far as we know) to send the kid up.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:42 pm to lob1284
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lob1284
not much of a critical thinker, eh?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:45 pm to lob1284
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BECAUSE HE MADE THE DECISION. maybe tressel had good advice and kelly didn't. either way, it doesn't change the fact that both of them are responsible for the same decision. having advice doesn't change the scope of who decides what.
Oh my god.
Oh my GOD.
What we're trying to tell you is that, while Kelly was responsible for practice being held, he might not have been responsible for, or even known what the frick the A/V crew were doing, on what equipment they were doing it, or what the fricking safety ratings for the equipment were.
It is entirely possible that he fairly assumed that the A/V department knew what the frick they were doing, had risk assessment scenarios and protocols and let them do their thing so that he could focus on trying to make his football team stop shitting all over the field every god damn Saturday.
If you think the coach should have oversight (coddle) every single person involved with athletics at a university, that's your business, but it's unrealistic. Let's say the hot dog lady at the concession stand accidentally throws gasoline on the grill instead of oil when doing whatever she does in there and the concession stand fricking blows up. Should Corch have been in there making sure she wasn't a complete frickup, or should he have assumed she knew what the hell she was doing so he could go coach his team to another loss?
:banghead:
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:47 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
that's what i'm trying to say, the guys go up to shoot every single practice. i promise you this. call ND or OSU's athletic department and ask the last time they've had a regular football practice where they didn't have guys filming up high. it's therefore implied in the decision, it's a factor (which is why tressel mentioned it, he understands they are part of his responsibility, like the players)
and i know some of you think i'm dumb, i really am speaking from experience, i was a support staff member for 5 years in college for a D1 college team and i've worked literally hundreds of practices. i know who makes the decisions and who advises them. i understand schools are different, but the basic managerial structure of a practice spans over all major programs with similar facilities and resources.
and i know some of you think i'm dumb, i really am speaking from experience, i was a support staff member for 5 years in college for a D1 college team and i've worked literally hundreds of practices. i know who makes the decisions and who advises them. i understand schools are different, but the basic managerial structure of a practice spans over all major programs with similar facilities and resources.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:50 pm to lob1284
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and i know some of you think i'm dumb
You know, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for about three whole pages of this thread, but I'm starting to wonder now...
You just won't listen to anything any of us are saying.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 10/29/10 at 8:57 pm to cyde
Not Kelly's fault.
The kid knew how bad it was up there (and the wind is always worse 50-60 feet up as anyone who lived on a high floor knows)...he tweeted and Facebooked about it but didn't lower the lift.
The kid knew how bad it was up there (and the wind is always worse 50-60 feet up as anyone who lived on a high floor knows)...he tweeted and Facebooked about it but didn't lower the lift.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 11:19 am to Buckeye Fan 19
It was an accident. The wind caused it. I think there was a profound lack of awareness at the time in regard to the situation and I'm sure there's a lot of people who feel terrible about it.
Posted on 10/30/10 at 12:36 pm to Porky
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It was an accident. The wind caused it. I think there was a profound lack of awareness at the time in regard to the situation and I'm sure there's a lot of people who feel terrible about it.
This. Nuff said.
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