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re: Penn State = Pretenders
Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:09 am to SlowFlowPro
They also forget the fumble that wasn't called that SC would have had or VY's pitch with his knee on the ground. Also Bush's "lateral" was forward
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 1:12 am
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Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:17 am to usc6158
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They also forget the fumble that wasn't called t
he was down
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or VY's pitch with his knee on the ground.
would that have changed possession?
it's not like USC was stopping vince much that game
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Also Bush's "lateral" was forward
look. if USC had a defense in 2005, i'd give them respect. they didn't really play anybody, they had a shaky D, and they almost lost to a non-BCS team who didn't sniff their conference title. you can't discount those flaws
OSU ran the spread option. OSU had really, really fast WRS. OSU had a better D than UT. they'd be matchup nightmare for USC
Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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he was down
Different play. This was in the third quarter I believe, where a guy caught it, had possesion and fumbled, but it was ruled an incompletion even though he clearly caught it.
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would that have changed possession?
it's not like USC was stopping vince much that game
Obviously didn't change possesion, but if SC holds for a field goal there, the game is very different
and after the fact, Dave Perry, who was the supervisor of officials, said when the reviewed the game, that the Bush lateral was forward.
I still think that OSU would have had issues against SC....not that it really matters now
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:00 am to BBATiger
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They struggled to beat a team that lost to USC 35-3!
They also beat a team that beat USC 45-14
Posted on 11/1/08 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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2005 OSU > 2008 PSU
it ain't close
What?
2008 PSU > 2005 PSU as of right now.
2005 PSU beat 2005 OSU 17-10. I know...I was there.
2005 OSU not even close to 2008 PSU. Maybe that's what you meant.
FWIW...that 2005 game vs OSU at Beaver and the 2008 game at the shoe...very, very similar. In fact I heard again from the media how our defense in both years was very "SEC-like." I assume to take that as a compliment.
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:09 pm to Nittany Lion
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2005 OSU not even close to 2008 PSU. Maybe that's what you meant.
No, and he was right, 2005 OSU had more talent than 2008 PSU does, sorry.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:13 pm to Nittany Lion
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2005 OSU not even close to 2008 PSU. Maybe that's what you meant.
OSU's offense was absolutely sick in talent in 2005
and, oh yeah, so was their D
PSU? not so much
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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2005 OSU had more talent than 2008 PSU does,
If you believe 2005 OSU > 2008 PSU then you must believe 2005 PSU >>>> 2008 PSU.
I just can't say 2005 PSU was that much better than 2008 PSU just based on 2008 PSU defense v 2005 PSU defense. I think people get way too caught up in offenses and forget that some of these teams play offense AND defense.
FWIW I also think the production of the 2005 PSU offense v 2008 PSU offense is in favor of 2008 PSU offense...and I loved the PSU 2005 team. They just weren't as explosive on offense as the 2008 team is.
I thought we got screwed in 2005 at UM as well. The magic 2 extra seconds...anyone else watch that game?
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:17 pm to Nittany Lion
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If you believe 2005 OSU > 2008 PSU then you must believe 2005 PSU >>>> 2008 PSU.
No I don't.
Do you believe that 2007 Kentucky > than 2007 LSU? Was 2007 Stanford > than 2007 USC. Was 1982 Alabama > 1982 PSU?
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:19 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Do you believe that 2007 Kentucky > than 2007 LSU? Was 2007 Stanford > than 2007 USC. Was 1982 Alabama > 1982 PSU
Not always the case...but I was at the 2005 game and OSU gave it everything they had that night. It wasn't like a better team took the night off against a much lesser team (PSU one play from the national championship in 05 vs 07 Stanford, 07 KY, 82 Bama not so much.)
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:21 pm to Nittany Lion
OSU was a better team in 2005 once they dumped the two quarterback system, a much better team. PSU was a very solid team that year though, no doubt.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:24 pm to Nittany Lion
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If you believe 2005 OSU > 2008 PSU then you must believe 2005 PSU >>>> 2008 PSU.
i do
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I think people get way too caught up in offenses and forget that some of these teams play offense AND defense.
yeah, and OSU in 2005 had some sick arse talent on D. hawk. carpenter. schlegel. whitner. yobouty. etc
PSU also had great talent with poz and conner at LB, justin king at CB, etc
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:24 pm to Nittany Lion
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PSU one play from the national championship in 05
you weren't jumping USC or UT
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:26 pm to ohiosportfan777
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OSU was a better team in 2005 once they dumped the two quarterback system, a much better team. PSU was a very solid team that year though, no doubt.
Agreed...we haven't had much success period against the Bucks but in 05 I thought we were the better team (and got to prove it in a classic battle.) If not for that last play at Ann Arbor....but I digress.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you weren't jumping USC or UT
Agreed...but it's still fun to say it.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:10 pm to Nittany Lion
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82 Bama not so much.)
damn, I was going to say 82 LSU must be > 82 PSU, since we beat Bama that year
Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
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damn, I was going to say 82 LSU must be > 82 PSU, since we beat Bama that year
Then we'd have Tulane fans coming on here going 82 Tulane > 82 PSU since they beat LSU that year.Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:20 pm to Nittany Lion
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82 Tulane > 82 PSU since they beat LSU that year.
I was at that LSU-Tulane game, last time Tulane beat LSU. That settles it though, Tulane 1982 National Champs!
Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
That would be their payback for the 79 Liberty Bowl.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 1:57 pm to xiv
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Penn State won't win it all, but they're considerably better than any Ohio State team since 2002.
I actually think 05 and 06 OSU were better than 08 PSU (not 07 OSU, though), but I'm a Buckeye fan, so...
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 1:58 pm
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