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re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:45 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:45 pm to SabiDojo
Yeah this thread has went off the rails...so does LeBron's lack of jumper as much to blame as any? He's getting open looks here...and doing little with such space..
Is Kevin Love done Cleveland?
Is Kevin Love done Cleveland?
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:47 pm to genro
quote:It's better than comparing him to 7 other starting QBs and saying he's top 4.
You don't see the fallacy when they aren't playing any of the same competition AT ALL, zip, zero, nada
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:50 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
So we combine the fact that he led the league in passing yards (even if we combine both leagues) multiple times, near the top at other times, with this chart showing his emergence in the league as a high volume passer coincided with the Jets ascension on wins, at a time when a heavy vertical attack was still considered innovative, culminating in the most improbable and iconic Super Bowl victory of all time...
Can't you sort of understand why he would be highly regarded?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:52 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
There were 10 teams in the AFL fwiw
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:52 pm to RonBurgundy
Well Bama fan had to jump in here and start talking about Joe Namath.
So what are you going to do? Let more nonsense pervade...Namath is now misunderstood like LeBron.
Can't we go a day without a Bama fan derailing a thread to talk about Bama this, Bama that?
This is a basketball thread...what the hell has Bama ever done in Basketball...absolutely nothing...they shouldn't even be entering basketball threads...they are outsiders, outcasts, lepers, losers.
So what are you going to do? Let more nonsense pervade...Namath is now misunderstood like LeBron.
Can't we go a day without a Bama fan derailing a thread to talk about Bama this, Bama that?
This is a basketball thread...what the hell has Bama ever done in Basketball...absolutely nothing...they shouldn't even be entering basketball threads...they are outsiders, outcasts, lepers, losers.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:53 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:That's not what happened. You're wrong twice in one sentence
Well Bama fan had to jump in here and start talking about Joe Namath.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:53 pm to genro
quote:In 1968 and 1969. What about the other years?
There were 10 teams in the AFL fwiw
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:54 pm to genro
quote:I addressed that. If you want to base his HOF candidacy on all that other shite, fantastic. But don't try to argue that his stats were exceptional for his era. It's clear as day that they weren't.
Can't you sort of understand why he would be highly regarded?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:55 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:2nd most wins in SEC history after Kentucky
what the hell has Bama ever done in Basketball
3rd most in the country in NCAAT appearances without a Final Four
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:56 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
It depends on what you value. As I said, passer rating didn't even exist
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:57 pm to RonBurgundy
MJ is an insane a-hole, but it (along with his physical gifts) is what makes him great.
I mean if you told me that MJ went Tonya Harding to win a series, I'd almost buy that.
I mean if you told me that MJ went Tonya Harding to win a series, I'd almost buy that.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:58 pm to genro
quote:What do you value? (I'm assuming we're talking about stats.)
It depends on what you value.
quote:They can go back and figure it out, no?
As I said, passer rating didn't even exist
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:01 pm to RonBurgundy
His lack of a jumper is killing them because it makes him become a player he clearly doesn't want to be. They can't win if he keeps shooting so poorly UNLESS he drives TO THE RIM. But he doesn't want to do that. Why? It's so weird and aggravating.
Love needs to be done. You're not backing dudes down in the post when you look like the skinny fat kid at the pool. Put the weight back on. He still has been pretty solid for them but I just don't know how they make it work after this.
People talk about Cleveland's lack of defense but it's really their lack of offense. JR is hardly serviceable anymore. Mozgov, Shumpert, Thompson, Delly are all below average offensive players.
Love needs to be done. You're not backing dudes down in the post when you look like the skinny fat kid at the pool. Put the weight back on. He still has been pretty solid for them but I just don't know how they make it work after this.
People talk about Cleveland's lack of defense but it's really their lack of offense. JR is hardly serviceable anymore. Mozgov, Shumpert, Thompson, Delly are all below average offensive players.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:03 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Winning. Namath had an undefeated season and a National Championship playing in Bryant's innovative vertical offense. From year 1, he led the Jets ascension to the pinnacle of a Super Bowl with a heavy passing attack
quote:Sure but you can't change standards of greatness retroactively. Under the standards of his day, Namath was great
They can go back and figure it out, no?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:05 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Windhorst, a guy who's been covering James since high school, has been slamming LeBron and the Cavs as a franchise today on The Lowe Post. Calling them an "ADD franchise from the owner on down", calling the team fragile and just want to see Cleveland play close to their A game to see how close they are to GSW because they haven't done it yet.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:07 pm to genro
I'm going to disregard your college info because that is meaningless to the current discussion.
ETA: The only thing I took issue with is you saying Joe Namath had exceptional stats for his era. For some reason, you're still arguing the legitimacy of that statement.
ETA2: I understand Namath being in just like I understand Eli Manning getting in. Eli isn't great compared to his peers, but he was important for other reasons.
quote:That's quite a low bar for HOF candidacy. Lead a team to a SB. Not multiple. Just one.
Winning. From year 1, he led the Jets ascension to the pinnacle of a Super Bowl with a heavy passing attack
quote:You can take out that column if you like, it's still not pretty.
Sure but you can't change standards of greatness retroactively.
ETA: The only thing I took issue with is you saying Joe Namath had exceptional stats for his era. For some reason, you're still arguing the legitimacy of that statement.
ETA2: I understand Namath being in just like I understand Eli Manning getting in. Eli isn't great compared to his peers, but he was important for other reasons.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:10 pm to SabiDojo
When Love has had Barnes on him, he's been playing like he should.
I'm on my phone at the moment but has Cleveland unlocked a lineup of
James
Love
Shumpert
Delly
Irving
I'm on my phone at the moment but has Cleveland unlocked a lineup of
James
Love
Shumpert
Delly
Irving
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:10 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:It's not just that. It's a league leading slinger taking a team from an entirely separate league believed to be inferior and winning the Super Bowl in a monumental upset. The context is very important. Namath's SB is not like other SB's. Wouldn't you agree?
Lead a team to a SB. Not multiple. Just one.
quote:bullshite, I'm pivoting and crawfishing away from that like a boss
For some reason, you're still arguing the legitimacy of that statement.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:12 pm to genro
quote:I agree. But that's also not what I took issue with. For some reason, you've ignored every statement I've made acknowledging the importance of Namath to the era.
Wouldn't you agree?
quote:
bullshite, I'm pivoting and crawfishing away from that like a boss
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:22 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:This is such a ridiculous argument. Chemistry may not be possible to measure in isolation--although we surely can measure how lineups perform--but the extent that it is important, it is quantified and measured in the outcome variables.
Chemistry matters. It's not yet quantifiable and it frankly may never be, but it exists.
This is done all the time in psychology, economics, sociology, etc. We know there are variables that contribute to important outcomes, but since the outcomes themsleves are what we care about, these variables do not need to be measured in isolation.
For example, we don't need to give an IQ test, a work ethic test, and a personality test to determine admissions into college. The SAT/ACT, grades, and extracurriculars do not explicitly measure those variables in isolation, but they are outcomes that are comprised of those necessary variables.
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