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re: Rank these NFL Head Coaches
Posted on 4/27/10 at 1:22 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 4/27/10 at 1:22 pm to Sophandros
my bad, thought you had Belichick in there, gotta put glasses back on.
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Posted on 4/27/10 at 1:23 pm to tubucoco
No worries. The choices are there for a reason, and the usual suspects fell for it, as they value one game over an entire body of work.
Heck, by PJ logic, Belichick sucks because he lost the SB to the Giants.
Heck, by PJ logic, Belichick sucks because he lost the SB to the Giants.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 2:24 pm to Sophandros
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I love when you guys play directly into my hands.
Not really. Levy coached before the Salary cap and free agency era where the other guys did not. The Bills were pretty loaded. and I still had Levy over the other 3.
This post was edited on 4/27/10 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/27/10 at 2:47 pm to Sophandros
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Heck, by PJ logic, Belichick sucks because he lost the SB to the Giants.
NOt at all. By your logic you said levey was the best of this bunch because he won on a consistant basis. But STILl failed when it mattered most. Deal with it.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 2:50 pm to Sophandros
Marv Levy
Brian Billick
Jon Gruden
Barry Switzer (didn't spend that long in the nfl. If this was a college list then of course he goes 1st. However, strictly based on the nfl he is 2nd imho)
Brian Billick
Jon Gruden
Barry Switzer (didn't spend that long in the nfl. If this was a college list then of course he goes 1st. However, strictly based on the nfl he is 2nd imho)
This post was edited on 4/27/10 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 4/27/10 at 3:01 pm to adammwilson
Levy
Gruden
Billick
Gruden
Billick
Posted on 4/27/10 at 3:38 pm to dukke v
So you'd rank Dilfer and Johnson over Kelly, by your faulty reasoning?
Sample size and selection bias mean something, PJ...
Sample size and selection bias mean something, PJ...
Posted on 4/27/10 at 3:50 pm to Rollie Fingers
quote:
Levy
Billick
Gruden
Switzer
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:04 pm to DallasTiger
quote:This.
Levy
Billick
Gruden
Switzer
Levy is in a class by himself in this group. He literally built a dynasty. He's one Scott Norwood field goal from being considered an all-time genius. That's why putting so much stock into Super Bowl victories is so stupid--If a very good kicker hits a 47-yd field goal, suddenly Levy is a much better coach? That's beyond ridiculous.
Billick is best of the rest since he built a consistently decent and sometimes excellent team.
Gruden won w/ the team Dungy built against a team that he built. But if you want to give Gruden credit for building that Raiders team, he should also take some blame for that team's spectacular collapse. It was stocked w/ aging, over-priced veterans that had a win-now mentality w/ no preparation for the future. He also took Dungy's consistently-winning Bucs team and struggled to keep them competitive year-to-year. I love Gruden as a TV personality but he's WAY overrated as a coach.
Switzer at the bottom based only on his pro career needs no explanation.
This post was edited on 4/27/10 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:11 pm to Sophandros
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So you'd rank Dilfer and Johnson over Kelly, by your faulty reasoning?
They were when it mattered.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:13 pm to dukke v
Every game matters, PJ. If you aren't successful in the games leading up to "the big one", then your illogical standard doesn't exist.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:16 pm to Sophandros
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Every game matters, PJ. If you aren't successful in the games leading up to "the big one", then your illogical standard doesn't exist.
LIke I said If Levy had won an SB I would rate him higher. He was a very good coach, BUT IMO he choked when it mattered most. Marty is a great coach but chokes when it matters. Think about it. Marino is the one of the best all time but choked when it mattered most.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:16 pm to Jamohn
Yep. If Norwood makes his kick, then things are a lot different in Buffalo. Heck, one could argue that they don't make it to the SB at least once in those the three following years, but that's another story.
Similarly, if Vinatieri misses any of his FGs, or heck, if he misses all three, is Belichick suddenly a "bum"? PJ seems to think so.
Similarly, if Vinatieri misses any of his FGs, or heck, if he misses all three, is Belichick suddenly a "bum"? PJ seems to think so.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:16 pm to Jamohn
quote:
That's why putting so much stock into Super Bowl victories is so stupid--If a very good kicker hits a 47-yd field goal, suddenly Levy is a much better coach? That's beyond ridiculous.
thank God someone else is saying it other than me.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:17 pm to dukke v
quote:So by your logic, if Norwood hits that kick, Levy suddenly morphs into a better coach and instead of a choker becomes clutch?
LIke I said If Levy had won an SB I would rate him higher.
How the hell can you possibly justify that "logic" w/ a straight face?
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:18 pm to dukke v
quote:
LIke I said If Levy had won an SB I would rate him higher. He was a very good coach, BUT IMO he choked when it mattered most.
Yes. Marv Levy missed a game winning field goal.
Don't be retarded.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:19 pm to dukke v
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Think about it. Marino is the one of the best all time but choked when it mattered most.
Elway had this label his entire career until they put a better team around him those last few seasons, when he wasn't a one man show. When 2 guys are virtually even in all categories I use the winning big games as a tie breaker, but there is no need when one guy is clearly better then the other like Jim Kelly vs Trent Dilfer.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:19 pm to Sophandros
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Similarly, if Vinatieri misses any of his FGs, or heck, if he misses all three, is Belichick suddenly a "bum"?
Never said BUM. Get your facts straight. BTW I would rate him with Levy.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:19 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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I use the winning big games as a tie breaker,
that's how it should be used.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:22 pm to adammwilson
Sure, but it's pretty bloody obvious, given the ENTIRE body of work, that Levy is a better coach than Gruden, Billick, and Switzer. Thus, they are not tied, and thus the "rings" argument is invalid.
Somehow, PJ fails to grasp this.
Somehow, PJ fails to grasp this.
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