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re: Top 10 MLB teams ever
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:34 pm to paperstreet
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:34 pm to paperstreet
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I like Torre but he fricking sucked at managing a bullpen.
Apparently I've never mentioned this on here....or his reluctance to mix up a lineup.
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Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:35 pm to Srbtiger06
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Bring up something relevant. TIA.
'76 REDS. NOUGH SAID. SWEPT YOUR YANKS.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:35 pm to Bench McElroy
The A's accomplished something amazing in the second half of that season- they GAINED GROUND on the Mariners....If memory serves, they were 20 games back at the All-Star break, or thereabouts, and finished 14 games out. They made up 6 games on the team with the best record in history!
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:36 pm to dukke v
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'76 REDS. NOUGH SAID. SWEPT YOUR YANKS.
I'm glad to know New York is the standard for being a great team.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:38 pm to dukke v
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dukke v
Where was I on Torre's cock? Just curious.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:38 pm to dukke v
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Joe Giard
I always have to re-read this multiple times.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:39 pm to Srbtiger06
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I'm glad to know New York is the standard for being a great team
YOU ARE A FAN OF THE YANKS LIKE NO OTHER!!!
A DIPSHIT, BUT A FAN. I like the FACT that I know more about the Yanks than you. Have a great day. frickING DUMBASS.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:41 pm to dukke v
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A DIPSHIT, BUT A FAN. I like the FACT that I know more about the Yanks than you. Have a great day. frickING DUMBASS.
For Review:
1) When did I say anything about any Yankees team being the GOAT?
2) When did I suck off Torre?
3) You probably do know more peej. You've been alive for probably a solid 50 years longer than me, you should know more.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:45 pm to Srbtiger06
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3) You probably do know more peej
I DO.
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You've been alive for probably a solid 50 years longer than me, you should know more.
WEll I am 51 and have a STRONG feeling for Yanks fans that JUMP on the BANWAGON. YOu = NO Yankee fan. HELL I hate the Yanks now, BUT I am MORE of a Yank fan than you.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:51 pm to Srbtiger06
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Look at their league ranks.
Impressive.
I was actually comparing those teams to the '61 Yankees. I know the '27 Yankees were better than all of those teams. That's pretty obvious.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 7:58 pm to dukke v
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WEll I am 51 and have a STRONG feeling for Yanks fans that JUMP on the BANWAGON. YOu = NO Yankee fan. HELL I hate the Yanks now, BUT I am MORE of a Yank fan than you.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:00 pm to Lester Earl
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i couldn't tell you, i dont act like i saw them play.
i understand breaking down teams that I havent seen play, but its hard to throw out the overrated card on a team ive never seen play.
Because you can easily compare how a good a team or player was simply by looking at certain statistics. Baseball is not a subjective sport like football or basketball where you have to watch the players play to see how good they are. It's an objective sport. Your teammates cannot help you hit for a high average or hit a lot of homeruns or strike out a lot of batters whereas in basketball, a Magic Johnson could make his teammates look better than they really are or in football, a QB like Peyton Manning is so good that his WRs would produce at a much higher level than they would anywhere else. So yes, a person could make the claim that Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player ever without having needed to see him play.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:10 pm to Bench McElroy
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So yes, a person could make the claim that Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player ever without having needed to see him play.
Without seeing the competition? Or the way another team jelled when comparing two teams? Numbers are NEVER the entire story. Ever. How often has the "best team" won the World Series when you just look at stats? Were the Giants the "best team" last year? Pitching wise yes. Their lineup produced below-average numbers for the NL last year though. You can't just look at numbers all the time.
Baseball is like any other sport, it is all relative.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:11 pm to Bench McElroy
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Because you can easily compare how a good a team or player was simply by looking at certain statistics.
so the game was the same in the 60's as it is now?
i have no prob breaking down the #'s but you have to have a lot of nerve to call a team you've never seen overrated
and comparing teams is different than players. thats quite obvious
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:15 pm to Lester Earl
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so the game was the same in the 60's as it is now?
Obviously.
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i have no prob breaking down the #'s but you have to have a lot of nerve to call a team you've never seen overrated
BUT THE NUMBERS!!!!!
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:18 pm to paperstreet
No 2006 Cardinals?
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:33 pm to Lester Earl
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so the game was the same in the 60's as it is now?
No, the game is not the same as the '60s. That's why I compared the team's numbers relative to the rest of the league. I never wrote that the '61 Yankees are overrated because they had a team batting average of .263. I wrote that they are overrated because their batting average was only good for 4th out of 10 teams in the league. If a .263 batting average is good enough to lead the league, I would give them props. And in baseball, watching teams and players play live can actually be a detriment because it can skew your viewpoint and make you less objective. You focus too much on the positives and ignore the negatives or vice versa.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:36 pm to Srbtiger06
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BUT THE NUMBERS!!!!!
The numbers also say the '27 Yankees, '39 Yankees and '98 Yankees are the three greatest teams of all-time. I guess numbers rule when they favor the Yankees but they suck when it doesn't.
Posted on 7/1/11 at 8:36 pm to RunningHeel
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1975 Big Red Machine# 2
I love my Reds. Maybe the greatest 8 man line-up...ever.
This post was edited on 7/1/11 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 7/4/11 at 3:04 pm to Bench McElroy
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I guess numbers rule when they favor the Yankees but they suck when it doesn't.
I don't think I've said anything about one team being better than another in the thread. All I've said is unless you know how baseball was played then or saw the teams, how can you make a judgement on a team that existed before you were alive?
Hell yeah I think the 98 Yankees were a great team but I never saw the 1927 or 1939 teams so I'm not making a call there. Lists like this are retarded because you can only look through a tunnel and see "ok they scored X runs". Without watching a team or even just the league that year you don't get the full idea of 'how things were'.
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I wrote that they are overrated because their batting average was only good for 4th out of 10 teams in the league.
Prime example of tunnel vision when looking at stats. Pittsburgh led the MLB in BA at .273 and a hit every 3.6678 AB's. NY was 9th in MLB at .263 and a hit every 3.8049 AB's. A difference of .1371 hits per AB. SO OVERRATED.
Compare that to "being 4th in their league" with the best BA team in the AL, the Cleveland Indians.
BA:
NY: .263
Cleveland: .266
AB's per hit:
NY: 3.8049
Cleveland: 3.7569
MLB average AB's that year was 5391. So let's do the math if both teams had equal ABs.
NY: 1417 hits
Cleveland: 1435 hits
So all things equal, Cleveland gets 18 more hits if you have league average ABs for both teams. 18 more hits on 5391 AB's.
4th in BA is negligible if you don't expand the stat you're looking at. "4th outta 10" sounds pedestrian until you put it in perspective.
Even then, even if you DO expand it....you're still just looking at it through a very limited viewpoint.
You can't prove shite without a good feel of how the game was being played and how good/weak the competition for ANY team was. That sort of thing isn't measurable.
ETA: Source
This post was edited on 7/4/11 at 3:05 pm
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