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Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:53 am to DelU249
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:53 am to DelU249
Brady has had one deep threat in 13 years, Randy Moss. He rewrote the record book with Moss in 2007. He was given Hernandez and Gronk and rewrote the TE record book and the way the position is played. He had a slot recieiver (Welker) that consistently caught 100 balls a year. Brady had Corey Dillon and Antwain Smith, Manning has Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Brady > Manning.
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:00 am to Paul Allen
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Brady has had one deep threat in 13 years,
Well this just isn't true.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:05 am to DURANTULA
How so? Who else stretched the field as a "deep threat", Givens, Brown, Lloyd???
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:08 am to Paul Allen
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He was given Hernandez and Gronk and rewrote the TE record book and the way the position is played
So you're crediting Brady with creating that entire scheme, and Gronk's freakish athleticism? Noice
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:13 am to Paul Allen
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How so? Who else stretched the field as a "deep threat", Givens, Brown, Lloyd???
Lloyd and Branch. Let's not act like Brady was the catalyst of those Super Bowls. In fact, the more the Patriots have depended on their offense and thus Brady in the playoffs, the less success they have had. It's easy to be clutch when your defense is giving up less than 20 points and putting you in optimal position to succeed.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:19 am to TulaneTigerFan
Put Gronk in Carolina, Oakland or NY Jets. What would his numbers be?
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:32 am to Paul Allen
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Put Gronk in Carolina, Oakland or NY Jets. What would his numbers be?
A better scenario would be to put a crappy QB in the Patriots system for a year and see what their numbers are.
Oh wait, that already happened.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:34 am to craigbiggio
that is a fantastic BOOM
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:36 am to TulaneTigerFan
this makes up for all manning bashing threads up to this date and including the one I will make the hour before he starts his annual playoff choke. I might have some making up to do after I bump it repeatedly for each and every turnover and of course, the final score/sad manning face.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:39 am to DelU249
Drew Brees doesnt care about black people
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:44 am to wildtigercat93
nor should he
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:47 am to DURANTULA
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Manning and Rodgers should be your top two. Rodgers has playmaking ability that Manning never had. Just look at what Rodgers has done the last 2-3 years with absolute garbage o-lines. Brady and Brees would have folded. Brady can't do shite when under consistent pressure. Brees tries, but when he presses, he is a turnover machine.
One of your more reasonable posts.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:48 am to Paul Allen
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Brady has had one deep threat in 13 years, Randy Moss. He rewrote the record book with Moss in 2007. He was given Hernandez and Gronk and rewrote the TE record book and the way the position is played. He had a slot recieiver (Welker) that consistently caught 100 balls a year. Brady had Corey Dillon and Antwain Smith, Manning has Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Brady > Manning
How about the year that Manning had Joseph Addai as a starting RB and made the Super Bowl? You also make it sound like Corey Dillon wasnt a good running back, or something
Posted on 9/13/13 at 11:49 am to craigbiggio
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Put Gronk in Carolina, Oakland or NY Jets. What would his numbers be?
A better scenario would be to put a crappy QB in the Patriots system for a year and see what their numbers are.
Oh wait, that already happened.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 12:16 pm to Paul Allen
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He rewrote the record book with Moss in 2007. He was given Hernandez and Gronk and rewrote the TE record book and the way the position is played. He had a slot recieiver (Welker) that consistently caught 100 balls a year. Brady had Corey Dillon and Antwain Smith, Manning has Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Brady > Manning.
Brady had the second best defense in 2001, the best in 2003, and the 4th best in 2004.
Antowain Smith was 11th in the league in rushing in 2001 and had the second most rushing touchdowns in the league. Troy Brown had a over 900 yards the year before Brady started and provided 2 PR tds (led the league in YPPR). But let's look at the full story from that year.
Brady only started because Bledsoe got injured. It wasn't like Brady was this stud quarterback who beat out this All-Pro future HOFer vet. He only started because of injury. Even then, he wasn't that impressive. 18 touchdowns to 12 ints, 2,843 yards and a 86.5 quarterback rating. Wow, that's some GOAT stuff right there.
But surely he went off in the playoffs right? Well, not really. Yeah he had 312 yards at home against Oakland.... on 52 pass attempts. He also threw a pick. Hell Oakland had that game won until the referees literally made up a new rule on the field to keep the Patriots in the game. Even then, Brady didn't tie the game (Adam V did) or win the game (Adam V did).
Hell, let's give the supposed GOAT break on that. Call it a mulligan. Surely, he went off in his next game right? RIGHT?!?! Nope. The only touchdown that offense produced came courtesy of Drew Bledsoe who hadn't played since 4 months prior. Hell they got 14 points from their special teams in that game against the Steelers. Hell the Steelers were the better team that day, but Kordell Stewart couldn't get out of his own way (Pittsburgh had 4 TOs).
But okay okay, so surely Brady would have had a great Super Bowl right? I mean that's how he made his name right? Big performances in the biggest game of the year, this is where legends are born and legacies are cemented. 16-27 for 145 yards. He barely did better than Trent fricking Dilfer. He scored as many touchdowns as Ty Law did. You know why they won that Super Bowl? Plain and simple: The Rams were averaging over 31 ppg until that Super Bowl (scored 17).
You brought up Corey Dillon like he was some scrub.Yeah all he did was have the third most rushing yards in the league (1,635), the most per game (109 - only played 15 games that year), and had the 9th most touchdowns of any non-qb in 2004.
It's true that Peyton had Edge while in Indy, but you ignore the fact that Edge wasn't always healthy or consistent either. Peyton was entering his 4th season when Wayne was a rookie and it's not like Wayne entered the starting lineup right away with the talent of Fitzgerald, Moss, Megatron, etc. It took him 3 years to really prove that he was a worth a first round pick.
Before Wayne became a legit threat, outside of Harrison, Manning was throwing to Jerome Pathon, Terrence Wilkins, and Marcus Pollard. Real murderer's row. From 1998 until 2010, there were only 3 seasons in which the Colts didn't have a top 8 scoring offense under Manning's direction: His rookie year of 1998 when they were 19th with 19.5 ppg; 2002 at 17th with just under 22 ppg; and 2008 at 13th with just over 23 ppg.
How does that compare to the Patriots under Brady? The Patriots have been below 8th 3 times since Brady became the starter in 2001: 2002, 2003, and 2005. So that makes them equal right? HELLLLLLL NO. That's 3 of 11 compared to 3 of 13 for Manning. Hell the Patriots even managed to stay in the top 8 (25.5 ppg) with a quarterback who hadn't started a game in 8 damn years. How did the Colts do without Manning? 192 less points, 8 less wins, 1,614 less passing yards, and .8 yards less per play.
Brady had the best pair of tight ends in NFL history with the best slot receiver in the game, a top 5 offensive line, and a plethora of solid backs for a 3 year stretch and had nothing but a Super Bowl loss in which he led his offense to a whopping 17 points in the Super Bowl (averaged 32 ppg during the regular season) against a team that was giving up 25 ppg.
Brady was an above average quarterback whose legacy was already severely overinflated by a willing northeast media (Mothership ftw), before he ever produced on the level that Manning was producing year in and year out. Whenever Brady has his HoF acceptance speech, he needs to spend half of it on his knees in front of Romeo Crennel because his legacy never would have existed without him.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 12:19 pm to DURANTULA
hell, that's a legit post
Posted on 9/13/13 at 12:34 pm to DURANTULA
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Brady had the second best defense in 2001, the best in 2003, and the 4th best in 2004.
Antowain Smith was 11th in the league in rushing in 2001 and had the second most rushing touchdowns in the league. Troy Brown had a over 900 yards the year before Brady started and provided 2 PR tds (led the league in YPPR). But let's look at the full story from that year.
Brady only started because Bledsoe got injured. It wasn't like Brady was this stud quarterback who beat out this All-Pro future HOFer vet. He only started because of injury. Even then, he wasn't that impressive. 18 touchdowns to 12 ints, 2,843 yards and a 86.5 quarterback rating. Wow, that's some GOAT stuff right there.
But surely he went off in the playoffs right? Well, not really. Yeah he had 312 yards at home against Oakland.... on 52 pass attempts. He also threw a pick. Hell Oakland had that game won until the referees literally made up a new rule on the field to keep the Patriots in the game. Even then, Brady didn't tie the game (Adam V did) or win the game (Adam V did).
Hell, let's give the supposed GOAT break on that. Call it a mulligan. Surely, he went off in his next game right? RIGHT?!?! Nope. The only touchdown that offense produced came courtesy of Drew Bledsoe who hadn't played since 4 months prior. Hell they got 14 points from their special teams in that game against the Steelers. Hell the Steelers were the better team that day, but Kordell Stewart couldn't get out of his own way (Pittsburgh had 4 TOs).
But okay okay, so surely Brady would have had a great Super Bowl right? I mean that's how he made his name right? Big performances in the biggest game of the year, this is where legends are born and legacies are cemented. 16-27 for 145 yards. He barely did better than Trent fricking Dilfer. He scored as many touchdowns as Ty Law did. You know why they won that Super Bowl? Plain and simple: The Rams were averaging over 31 ppg until that Super Bowl (scored 17).
You brought up Corey Dillon like he was some scrub.Yeah all he did was have the third most rushing yards in the league (1,635), the most per game (109 - only played 15 games that year), and had the 9th most touchdowns of any non-qb in 2004.
It's true that Peyton had Edge while in Indy, but you ignore the fact that Edge wasn't always healthy or consistent either. Peyton was entering his 4th season when Wayne was a rookie and it's not like Wayne entered the starting lineup right away with the talent of Fitzgerald, Moss, Megatron, etc. It took him 3 years to really prove that he was a worth a first round pick.
Before Wayne became a legit threat, outside of Harrison, Manning was throwing to Jerome Pathon, Terrence Wilkins, and Marcus Pollard. Real murderer's row. From 1998 until 2010, there were only 3 seasons in which the Colts didn't have a top 8 scoring offense under Manning's direction: His rookie year of 1998 when they were 19th with 19.5 ppg; 2002 at 17th with just under 22 ppg; and 2008 at 13th with just over 23 ppg.
How does that compare to the Patriots under Brady? The Patriots have been below 8th 3 times since Brady became the starter in 2001: 2002, 2003, and 2005. So that makes them equal right? HELLLLLLL NO. That's 3 of 11 compared to 3 of 13 for Manning. Hell the Patriots even managed to stay in the top 8 (25.5 ppg) with a quarterback who hadn't started a game in 8 damn years. How did the Colts do without Manning? 192 less points, 8 less wins, 1,614 less passing yards, and .8 yards less per play.
Brady had the best pair of tight ends in NFL history with the best slot receiver in the game, a top 5 offensive line, and a plethora of solid backs for a 3 year stretch and had nothing but a Super Bowl loss in which he led his offense to a whopping 17 points in the Super Bowl (averaged 32 ppg during the regular season) against a team that was giving up 25 ppg.
Brady was an above average quarterback whose legacy was already severely overinflated by a willing northeast media (Mothership ftw), before he ever produced on the level that Manning was producing year in and year out. Whenever Brady has his HoF acceptance speech, he needs to spend half of it on his knees in front of Romeo Crennel because his legacy never would have existed without him.
This post has some good points, but is sprinkled with fail. I don't have much time to repost anything significant.
I love how you laud Antowain Smith and Corey Dillon, but you just ignore that Edgerrin James was a top 5 RB for most of his career. You state he wasn't consistent?
Rushing yards per year with Colts
1553
1709
662
989
1259
1548
1506
You see that 662 yard season? He only played 6 games. Which goes to your second point that he had injury problems.
Games played with Colts
16
16
6
14
13
16
15
In addition, I assume Tom Brady should apologize for having a mediocre game in the Super Bowl?
Posted on 9/13/13 at 1:01 pm to LSU Piston
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You state he wasn't consistent?
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but you ignore the fact that Edge wasn't always healthy or consistent either.
Reading is fundamental.
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1553
1709
662
989
1259
1548
1506
Yeah that would pretty much cover my statement that he wasn't always healthy and consistent.
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Games played with Colts
16
16
6
14
13
16
15
That's 7 seasons. That should be 112 games, but that's only 96 games listed. So in 7 seasons time, he missed a season's worth of games. Yeah I'd say my statement that he wasn't always healthy is based on fact.
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In addition, I assume Tom Brady should apologize for having a mediocre game in the Super Bowl?
I wouldn't have a problem with it if 1. He wasn't the Super Bowl MVP and 2. retards like you didn't suck his dick because of a legacy he was given rather than earned.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 1:20 pm to DURANTULA
How many running backs play 16 games for 7 straight seasons? Edgerrin James' was very durable during his time in Indy.
Speaking of consistency, why don't you post the stats for Corey Dillon or Antowain Smith during their tenures in NE? I just looked them up. They show both consistency and durability.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 1:21 pm to DURANTULA
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That's 7 seasons. That should be 112 games, but that's only 96 games listed. So in 7 seasons time, he missed a season's worth of games. Yeah I'd say my statement that he wasn't always healthy is based on fact.
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because of a legacy he was given rather than earned.
:rotflmao:
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