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re: Trading Chris Paul... Should Bower Consider now?
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:13 am to ScoopAndScore
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:13 am to ScoopAndScore
Brandon Roy is another one of those guys who is basically untradeable. He's the face of a young, talented Portland team that already missed once on Oden. They've got a good thing going and wouldn't want to mess with that unless it was for LeBron or someone. Portland would not trade Brandon Roy for Chris Paul, I'm almost 100% sure. I don't know if I can say the same for the Hornets, though.
If that trade presented itself for NOLA, I'd trade CP3 for Roy straight up.
If that trade presented itself for NOLA, I'd trade CP3 for Roy straight up.
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Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:14 am to AlexLSU
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If that trade presented itself for NOLA, I'd trade CP3 for Roy straight up.
no way
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:15 am to ScoopAndScore
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Then you know the trade can't work. You can't get Lebron, Kobe, DWade, Durant or D Howard.
Kevin Durant, Brandon Roy, Danny Granger are the ones that interest me most. I know Durant is probably off the table. There are also some tier b players that would interest me with more of a combo type deal with another player of note.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:17 am to Chad504boy
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Kevin Durant
second best player in the league now...untradeable
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Brandon Roy, Danny Granger
no way straight up for CP, no way
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:18 am to ScoopAndScore
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no way straight up for CP, no way
CP for Roy would be damn close to straight up but they'd have to find a way to make salaries work.
My idea for Granger was him and Hansbrough.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:19 am to Chad504boy
I know the "starting 2 > backup 1" bit was an example, but Thornton has done well enough to warrant leaving the 2 spot alone.
I like the idea of getting Stoudemire for Collison and Stojakovic. Draft a center to complement Okafor in round one and a forward in round two. And then take Rudy Gay and a draft pick for Peterson's expiring contract. Posey stays on at least 'til the end of next year. Finally, get West out for a couple of backup guards to fill out the roster. If Wright demands a trade or money, get rid of him; keep one of Songaila, Marks, or Diogu, and keep Gray for cheap depth.
Your team by June 2011 is:
PG: Paul, backup
SG: Thornton, backup
SF: Gay, Posey
PF: Stoudemire, draftee, Songaila/Marks
C: Okafor, draftee, Gray
I like the idea of getting Stoudemire for Collison and Stojakovic. Draft a center to complement Okafor in round one and a forward in round two. And then take Rudy Gay and a draft pick for Peterson's expiring contract. Posey stays on at least 'til the end of next year. Finally, get West out for a couple of backup guards to fill out the roster. If Wright demands a trade or money, get rid of him; keep one of Songaila, Marks, or Diogu, and keep Gray for cheap depth.
Your team by June 2011 is:
PG: Paul, backup
SG: Thornton, backup
SF: Gay, Posey
PF: Stoudemire, draftee, Songaila/Marks
C: Okafor, draftee, Gray
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:19 am to ScoopAndScore
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no way
Brandon Roy is really, really good. Roy + Collison would be better than having CP3 start with Thornton or Mo Pete.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:20 am to ScoopAndScore
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no way
I value 2 guards higher than I value PGs. Collison is a solid player at PG, and Thornton would be a great 6th man off the bench to back Roy. The Hornets could definitely use more production at the SG spot, and Roy would upgrade that position by leaps and bounds. Collison is not the same player as CP3, but in terms of what you need from a PG in the NBA, he's not a tremendous downgrade.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:20 am to TulaneTigerFan
As the Hornets have shown, Paul is not THAT important to their success. They are 8-9 without Paul. More or less they're a 44 win team with Paul, and a 38 win team without Paul.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:21 am to lsutothetop
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Your team by June 2011 is:
PG: Paul, backup
SG: Thornton, backup
SF: Gay, Posey
PF: Stoudemire, draftee, Songaila/Marks
C: Okafor, draftee, Gray
Poppin' cham-pagne like we won a cham-pion-ship gaaaaaaame.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:21 am to TulaneTigerFan
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Brandon Roy is really, really good
I know he's good, but he's not nearly as good/valuable as CP (before this injury). Now with CP's injury concern, everything has changed. But that means his trade value has to be in question too.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:22 am to Chad504boy
you dont trade the face of your franchise, ever. (especially when you have limited fan support already)
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:22 am to Chad504boy
the whole reason we drafted collison was for this very reason. if paul gets hurt, we have a serviceable 1 to fill in.
collison is performing great, but dont fool yourself into thinking we are as good with him in as opposed to paul. paul is arguably the best 1 in the league.
no way do you trade the face of a franchise.
collison is performing great, but dont fool yourself into thinking we are as good with him in as opposed to paul. paul is arguably the best 1 in the league.
no way do you trade the face of a franchise.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:25 am to smyce
We need a trade cp3 board to consolidate these 1x a day threads.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:25 am to lsutothetop
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And then take Rudy Gay and a draft pick for Peterson's expiring contract.
WTF? How you come up with this?
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:25 am to ScoopAndScore
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I know he's good, but he's not nearly as good/valuable as CP
I don't know about all that.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:26 am to TigerinATL
Sign and trade with the grizzlies.
Grizzlies resign Rudy Gay and trade him and Mike Conley to the Hornets for DC and Peja
Memphis would do this cause they are close. They need 3 point shooting desperately as they picked up Ronnie brewer recently to replace Rudy if necessary. Also conley appears to not be a starting PG as he is just a mediocre player
now Memphis would have Pejas expiring and his 3 point shooting to space the floor for ZBO Gasol and Mayo and as well as Brewer
Grizzlies resign Rudy Gay and trade him and Mike Conley to the Hornets for DC and Peja
Memphis would do this cause they are close. They need 3 point shooting desperately as they picked up Ronnie brewer recently to replace Rudy if necessary. Also conley appears to not be a starting PG as he is just a mediocre player
now Memphis would have Pejas expiring and his 3 point shooting to space the floor for ZBO Gasol and Mayo and as well as Brewer
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:26 am to smyce
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collison is performing great, but dont fool yourself into thinking we are as good with him in as opposed to paul. paul is arguably the best 1 in the league.
Collison with Roy/ Granger... yeah we aren't as good, we're much better.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:30 am to Chad504boy
you can't get roy or granger.
what the hell do you think people are just willing to give up top guys in this league? the superstar for superstar trades are very rare in any sport.
what benefit do the blazers have for giving up roy.
thinking we should trade paul is about the dumbest thing one could think. the guy is hurt; when he returns he will be better than collison. he'll also be better than anyone in the fricking league.
collison isnt even top 20.
what the hell do you think people are just willing to give up top guys in this league? the superstar for superstar trades are very rare in any sport.
what benefit do the blazers have for giving up roy.
thinking we should trade paul is about the dumbest thing one could think. the guy is hurt; when he returns he will be better than collison. he'll also be better than anyone in the fricking league.
collison isnt even top 20.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:31 am to EliPorter
I hope the money works out with all of that. 
Let's see... 2011 offseason figures for everyone contracted beyond then:
Paul: $16.3 million
Thornton: $1.1 million
Posey: $6.9 million
Okafor: $12.8 million
That's a total of $37.1 million. You've got room to throw $18 million at Stoudemire, $10 million at Gay, you can keep resigning Gray and Marks to cheap contracts (they're currently making close to $2 million between them), and then you have $5 million left for the rookies and backups. Collison/Thornton will pull in $2 million combined next year, so assuming a similar pay scale for the two rookies in this year's draft, that's $3 million on two scrub backups. It could work... barely.
Oh, and:
Memphis has a team option on Gay after this offseason, if I remember right. They can resign him for one more year... but he wants money. Memphis won't shell out money. The team option is something under five million. He's not nearly getting paid what he's worth. If New Orleans makes the right moves, they can pay him what he's worth.
ETA: MrWiseGuy's sign and trade idea also works pretty well, but then you're choosing between Stoudemire or Gay. I think we'll need to see how whatever rookie C/PF gets drafted performs before we can choose between them - if they turn out as nicely as the 2009 draft rookies did, no reason to shell out top dollar for Stoudemire, just make Paul and Gay your two stars and Thornton/rookie/Okafor a solid backup trio. If he doesn't pan out, go for Stoudemire.
Let's see... 2011 offseason figures for everyone contracted beyond then:
Paul: $16.3 million
Thornton: $1.1 million
Posey: $6.9 million
Okafor: $12.8 million
That's a total of $37.1 million. You've got room to throw $18 million at Stoudemire, $10 million at Gay, you can keep resigning Gray and Marks to cheap contracts (they're currently making close to $2 million between them), and then you have $5 million left for the rookies and backups. Collison/Thornton will pull in $2 million combined next year, so assuming a similar pay scale for the two rookies in this year's draft, that's $3 million on two scrub backups. It could work... barely.
Oh, and:
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WTF? How you come up with this?
Memphis has a team option on Gay after this offseason, if I remember right. They can resign him for one more year... but he wants money. Memphis won't shell out money. The team option is something under five million. He's not nearly getting paid what he's worth. If New Orleans makes the right moves, they can pay him what he's worth.
ETA: MrWiseGuy's sign and trade idea also works pretty well, but then you're choosing between Stoudemire or Gay. I think we'll need to see how whatever rookie C/PF gets drafted performs before we can choose between them - if they turn out as nicely as the 2009 draft rookies did, no reason to shell out top dollar for Stoudemire, just make Paul and Gay your two stars and Thornton/rookie/Okafor a solid backup trio. If he doesn't pan out, go for Stoudemire.
This post was edited on 2/22/10 at 11:34 am
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