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re: Will Durant overtake Lebron in the next three years?
Posted on 4/13/10 at 6:52 am to Hiyoka
Posted on 4/13/10 at 6:52 am to Hiyoka
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would take Durant (and Carmelo Anthony for that matter) over Lebron on my team.
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Lebron has a lot of big kid in him which is something that the great great players just don't/didn't have.
Really? Shaq? Magic? Hell, even Jordan made a damn Warner Brothers cartoon movie during the peak of his career. As a Lebron fan, I wish he'd wear more of a gameface before and during games, but the culture of the NBA has changed.
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but I think the year of college that KD and CA had matured and toughened them mentally to an extent that Lebron just doesn't seem to have been toughened.
You think 1 year of living the high life in Austin, Texas playing 35 games against 18-20 year-olds toughened Durant more than playing 82 games against grown men who are the best basketball players in the world toughened Lebron? Seriously?
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else he will wake up one day around 30-32 and realize he is past his prime
I think Lebron's ridiculous athletic ability--but maybe more importantly his size--will sustain his peak longer than most. He might have to adjust his game later in his career and play more in the post at the 4, but he could probably be the best power forward in the league if he wanted to.
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possibly the NBA's greatest combination of hype and underachievement (from a championship standpoint) in the history of the game.
No doubt, if he doesn't win any championships it will be a huge failure and underachievement. But I think most reasonable people would be surprised if he doesn't.
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Lebron on the other hand is either really unlucky that all of his teammates seem to get worse when they join his team or he has something to do with minimizing their talents since no matter how many supposedly good guys they sign and draft we always seem to hear how bad his "supporting cast" is.
Alright, now you're just retarded.
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Posted on 4/13/10 at 6:57 am to Hot Carl
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Alright, now you're just retarded.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:21 am to chase8992
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not about championships with him its about shoe deals and big money contracts not rings
holy frick.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:24 am to LSUtoOmaha
no
i don't think durant will ever become an elite defender. he's long and lanky, but i sense tmac-esque back problems in him if he spends too much time getting low
there are team-roster situations where i'd rather have durant than lebron, however
that's not a slight on lebron. just differing styles
i don't think durant will ever become an elite defender. he's long and lanky, but i sense tmac-esque back problems in him if he spends too much time getting low
there are team-roster situations where i'd rather have durant than lebron, however
that's not a slight on lebron. just differing styles
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:24 am to Michael J Cocks
these threads are always great for lulz.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 8:47 am to Michael J Cocks
KD is already as good a rebounder as LBJ. He'll never be the passer LBJ is, but he doesn't need to be. He isn't asked to do that for the Thunder. His jumper is better, he shoots FTs better, and he is a good finisher around the basket, though no one is as good as LBJ there. For everyone saying that KD is nowhere near LBJ as a defender, I think you are off base. For one, LBJ didn't start becoming a very good defender until last season, his 6th. KD is in his 3rd season and has become a lot better defender than most give him credit for. His advanced defensive statistics are actually better than LBJ's.
LeBron - dMULT
KD - dMULT
dMULT explained
While I'm not sure KD will ever become better than LeBron, people in the know certainly think he has a chance.
KD as good or better than LBJ?
LeBron - dMULT
KD - dMULT
dMULT explained
While I'm not sure KD will ever become better than LeBron, people in the know certainly think he has a chance.
KD as good or better than LBJ?
This post was edited on 4/13/10 at 8:48 am
Posted on 4/13/10 at 9:36 am to Friend of OBUDan
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For everyone saying that KD is nowhere near LBJ as a defender, I think you are off base. For one, LBJ didn't start becoming a very good defender until last season, his 6th. KD is in his 3rd season and has become a lot better defender than most give him credit for
Durant may become a better defender and close that gap a little, but right now Lebron is far better defensively. His help D is great, he's probably the only person in the NBA capable of those chase down blocks. This only happens in the 4th quarter against teams with a "superstar", but he can be a lock down man defender when he sets his mind to it. You should have seen that happen to KD this season.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 9:48 am to TulaneTigerFan
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You should have seen that happen to KD this season.
I disagree with that statement personally. I don't disagree LeBron is the better defender now, but this year is his first truly elite defensive year (statistically). Durant's leap this year defensively has been nothing short of incredible. He's farther along defensively than LBJ was at this age.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 9:55 am to mmjones87
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They just need a PG
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Westbrook is nasty.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 10:47 am to LSUtoOmaha
Durant is a basketball player first and foremost. Lebron wants to be a global icon. Obviously Lebron is a freak of an athlete, but Durant is pretty freakishly gifted as well. I'm pulling for the guy that just wants to play basketball.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:06 am to Friend of OBUDan
I don't see where the comparison really is.
Lebron is a point forward and the most dominant force of nature the game has seen at the forward position. He's a rarest blend of vision, athleticism, and size. The things he does at his size are impossible to duplicate. He gets to the rim at will. He has deep range on his 3 pter. And that's how he scores. Lebron is a great one on one defender, and amazing at tracking down fast breaks.
As far as his upside, he has an unrefined post game. Woe to the rest of the league if he ever develops a back to the basket game. Lebron is also a basketball savant. He outsmarts opponents and almost always makes the right basketball play aside from the occasional heat check.
Durant's game is silky smooth. Efficient. Long. He gets his points in ways that Lebron can't- pull ups, post ups. He's got a great handle for how tall he is. Those comparing him to tracy mcgrady are nuts. Durant isn't nearly as athletic as tmac. But he's twice as long and a much better shooter. KD's jumpshot is pretty much unblockable. KD will only get better as he continues to fill out and get stronger. His rebounding numbers will go up. 30 and 10 isn't just a possibility it's a probability. There has never been as efficient a scorer at KD's age as him. He has a chance to be one of the best scorers of all time.
Who would I rather have? Lebron for the next two-five years, KD for the next 10.
Lebron's overall impact on the game is greater at this point. Do I see potential for KD to be as dominant? maybe so, but in a different way.
Lebron is a point forward and the most dominant force of nature the game has seen at the forward position. He's a rarest blend of vision, athleticism, and size. The things he does at his size are impossible to duplicate. He gets to the rim at will. He has deep range on his 3 pter. And that's how he scores. Lebron is a great one on one defender, and amazing at tracking down fast breaks.
As far as his upside, he has an unrefined post game. Woe to the rest of the league if he ever develops a back to the basket game. Lebron is also a basketball savant. He outsmarts opponents and almost always makes the right basketball play aside from the occasional heat check.
Durant's game is silky smooth. Efficient. Long. He gets his points in ways that Lebron can't- pull ups, post ups. He's got a great handle for how tall he is. Those comparing him to tracy mcgrady are nuts. Durant isn't nearly as athletic as tmac. But he's twice as long and a much better shooter. KD's jumpshot is pretty much unblockable. KD will only get better as he continues to fill out and get stronger. His rebounding numbers will go up. 30 and 10 isn't just a possibility it's a probability. There has never been as efficient a scorer at KD's age as him. He has a chance to be one of the best scorers of all time.
Who would I rather have? Lebron for the next two-five years, KD for the next 10.
Lebron's overall impact on the game is greater at this point. Do I see potential for KD to be as dominant? maybe so, but in a different way.
This post was edited on 4/13/10 at 11:10 am
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:12 am to AlexLSU
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I really don't understand what Durant can do to overtake LeBron. The only thing Durant does better is shoot. He's a much better FT shooter, but I don't think there's a huge gap between their midrange or 3pt games. They're both solid rebounders, but LeBron is a more efficient offensive player, especially with his ability to pass.
LeBron's defense is on another level, that's not debateable.
Also, while I think Durant may have a greater skill set on offense, he's not a more dominant offensive player. Who can stop LeBron in the NBA if LeBron wants you on an iso? No one. Who can stop Durant in the NBA if Durant wants you on an iso? LeBron can.
Agree... maybe Durant will improve on D or passing... then we'll have more of a discussion IMO
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:14 am to molsusports
durant does not have the court vision to be the passer that lebron is. he's not a bad passer. but you either have that type of elite court vision or you don't.
defender? i don't know if he has the lateral quickness, or strength to compensate.
defender? i don't know if he has the lateral quickness, or strength to compensate.
This post was edited on 4/13/10 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:48 am to LSUtoOmaha
Didn't read all the other pages, but I'm thinking/feeling/hoping for a Magic vs Bird type rivalry.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:49 am to LSU Fan 90812
You guys are really underrating KD's defense, how far he's come and how far he can still improve...
Posted on 4/13/10 at 11:53 am to Bourque2
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I'm thinking/feeling/hoping for a Magic vs Bird type rivalry.
Durant actually reminds me of Bird.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 1:16 pm to Robot Santa
Durant has a 7'6" wingspan if I am remembering correctly and is a good 2 inches taller than lebron is faster straight line but I Durant show me more wiggle and lateral agility which are obviously keys to defense. Durant is a freak as well, just a different kind of freak. It also can't be argued who is the more skilled and polished player offensively.
Lebron can physically dominate him now maybe but that length will become a pretty big advantage as KD develops physically over the next year or two.
Lebron's size, much like the NBA centers or running backs in the NFL, and his reliance on his freakish speed and strength will cause a more sudden decline than people think. He has until he is 30 max before he starts losing a step and all the pounding he inflicts on his opponents will start to catch up with him more so that players that are more polished technically like Kobe, KD, Jordan, Carmelo who will be able to rely on their superior skills for years after they begin their (more gradual) physical decline.
And to my friend that keeps talking about how great Lebron is for getting such a terrible supporting cast to the finals...how long ago was that and how thoroughly destroyed were they in the finals. The east was pathetic that year. A more current example of his inability to make his teammates better would be last year getting upset by Dwight Howard, a journeyman pg, and 2 6'10 guys who can shoot but wouldn't go in the paint if you held a gun to their heads. Last year was an embarrassment and all Lebron could do about it was run off the court and cry like a little entitled, spoiled baby.
Fortunately for Lebron, his hyped mythology means too much cold hard cash for the NBA for Stern to not do everything in his power to make sure little Lebron gets his title. I still won't be surprised if he never wins one though. He is no Jordan, he is no Kobe, and he is not even KD or Carmelo as far as I am concerned (CA who took the Lakers to the wire with a pretty average surrounding cast himself btw)
Lebron can physically dominate him now maybe but that length will become a pretty big advantage as KD develops physically over the next year or two.
Lebron's size, much like the NBA centers or running backs in the NFL, and his reliance on his freakish speed and strength will cause a more sudden decline than people think. He has until he is 30 max before he starts losing a step and all the pounding he inflicts on his opponents will start to catch up with him more so that players that are more polished technically like Kobe, KD, Jordan, Carmelo who will be able to rely on their superior skills for years after they begin their (more gradual) physical decline.
And to my friend that keeps talking about how great Lebron is for getting such a terrible supporting cast to the finals...how long ago was that and how thoroughly destroyed were they in the finals. The east was pathetic that year. A more current example of his inability to make his teammates better would be last year getting upset by Dwight Howard, a journeyman pg, and 2 6'10 guys who can shoot but wouldn't go in the paint if you held a gun to their heads. Last year was an embarrassment and all Lebron could do about it was run off the court and cry like a little entitled, spoiled baby.
Fortunately for Lebron, his hyped mythology means too much cold hard cash for the NBA for Stern to not do everything in his power to make sure little Lebron gets his title. I still won't be surprised if he never wins one though. He is no Jordan, he is no Kobe, and he is not even KD or Carmelo as far as I am concerned (CA who took the Lakers to the wire with a pretty average surrounding cast himself btw)
Posted on 4/13/10 at 1:18 pm to Hiyoka
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And to my friend that keeps talking about how great Lebron is for getting such a terrible supporting cast to the finals...how long ago was that and how thoroughly destroyed were they in the finals. The east was pathetic that year. A more current example of his inability to make his teammates better would be last year getting upset by Dwight Howard, a journeyman pg, and 2 6'10 guys who can shoot but wouldn't go in the paint if you held a gun to their heads. Last year was an embarrassment and all Lebron could do about it was run off the court and cry like a little entitled, spoiled baby.
You are typing some of the least intelligent things I've seen in an NBA thread on here in quite a while. Congrats
Posted on 4/13/10 at 1:35 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Nike was already making commercials for the Kobe v Lebron finals.
The Magic were supposed to be merely a mildy entertaining speed bump for "the king". Instead Dwight Howard, while limited and highly unpolished himself, proved he is much more valuable to his team than Lebron...of course it was all Lebron's crappy supporting cast's fault.
Lebron is a punk. Lebron = Tiger without the maniacal drive.
The Magic were supposed to be merely a mildy entertaining speed bump for "the king". Instead Dwight Howard, while limited and highly unpolished himself, proved he is much more valuable to his team than Lebron...of course it was all Lebron's crappy supporting cast's fault.
Lebron is a punk. Lebron = Tiger without the maniacal drive.
Posted on 4/13/10 at 1:46 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Maybe it's just because KD seems like a good dude, but my opinion of LBJ has tumbled this past year. Didn't care at all about him walking off the court against the Magic, that's fine by me. I do have an issue with wearing a dbag shirt that says "Check My $tats" ( 
), bitching and moaning about a no call as time expired...when you won by 4 ( ), and coming out and saying you could win the scoring title whenever you want as Durant is zooming up behind you in the scoring title race, a blatant attempt to diminish its meaning ( 
) . And subsequently he lost the scoring title without a fight as he chose to sit out the last few games of the season, another incredibly weak move.
), bitching and moaning about a no call as time expired...when you won by 4 ( ), and coming out and saying you could win the scoring title whenever you want as Durant is zooming up behind you in the scoring title race, a blatant attempt to diminish its meaning ( ) . And subsequently he lost the scoring title without a fight as he chose to sit out the last few games of the season, another incredibly weak move.
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