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Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:58 pm to theenemy
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And as long as they are on that team they have to honor that agreement or leave the team.
We've got another.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:04 pm to swift
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We've got another.
Laugh all you want but I still believe organizations and businesses should be allowed to set there own rules and enforce them.
Their organization their rules...if you dont like it start your own league and set your own rules.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:09 pm to tiger1014
These football players get a pretty good stipend each month. I played D1 baseball at a smaller school and guess what I got. Nothing except a 50% scholarship. Meal money? We got like $15 dollars a day when we were on the road. Fast food and hotel breakfast was the only option. Guess what? We were fine and made it. Athletes being paid and doing away with the NCAA is stupid.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:14 pm to theenemy
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Their organization their rules...if you dont like it start your own league and set your own rules.
Forget discussing changes or ways to potentially improve the NCAA.
Don't like it, then leave.
Don't try to address or fix a problem.
Don't like it, then leave.
ETA: Next time you propose a rule change, whether it be sports or whatever, just remember, it’s not their job to make you happy. If you don’t like it, leave.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:45 am to swift
I can't go on social media and blast the company I work for then shout that my first amendment rights are violated because the company fired me.
NCAA athletes can not cry that they get suspended when they are busted taking money for signing autographs.
My first amendment rights were not violated because if I don't like my company, I can either be unemployed or find work elsewhere. If my company is one of the top in the industry, should they be forced to change their policies simply because other companies or worse?
A 5 star football player can decide he doesn't want the exposure of the NCAA and go join the CFL. Bryce Brown almost did it. He can also go overseas to Europe. He can simply take 3 years off and wait.
Are those better options than the NCAA? No. Which clearly means the NCAA has benefits greater than simply pay, otherwise the CFL would be a better option. Direct pay is not the only measure of worth. The NCAA provides many benefits that would cost athletes an absolute ton of money between training, exposure, travel, etc.
Think of it this way. Are LSU fans a fan of Jacob Hester because he played for LSU or are they LSU fans because of Jacob Hester? Are Florida fans only fans of Florida because of Tim Tebow? Personally, I root for LSU regardless of who is on the roster. None of the players stay there for more than a few years and these schools have had history dating back generations.
The athletes generate revenue for the schools because they play the game, but not always because of who there were before they even got to the school. You put Tim Tebow on FAU instead of UF and the revenue UF generates probably does go down (simply because they are not as likely to win as much) but does FAU really generate that much more because Tebow went there? If the National Championship game is UCF vs. Washington State, the NCAA does not make nearly as much as it did for Alabama vs Clemson. It has almost nothing to do with the actual players and way more to do with the teams. Its why Notre Dame and USC are draws even when they are bad.
And for players hating the system so much, a number of them sure like to donate the money they make from the NFL freely to the schools they went to.
Can the system be improved to be better for the athletes? Yes. But is the system broken? Absolutely not. There is no reason to change a system for a very small percent of what makes up the system.
NCAA athletes can not cry that they get suspended when they are busted taking money for signing autographs.
My first amendment rights were not violated because if I don't like my company, I can either be unemployed or find work elsewhere. If my company is one of the top in the industry, should they be forced to change their policies simply because other companies or worse?
A 5 star football player can decide he doesn't want the exposure of the NCAA and go join the CFL. Bryce Brown almost did it. He can also go overseas to Europe. He can simply take 3 years off and wait.
Are those better options than the NCAA? No. Which clearly means the NCAA has benefits greater than simply pay, otherwise the CFL would be a better option. Direct pay is not the only measure of worth. The NCAA provides many benefits that would cost athletes an absolute ton of money between training, exposure, travel, etc.
Think of it this way. Are LSU fans a fan of Jacob Hester because he played for LSU or are they LSU fans because of Jacob Hester? Are Florida fans only fans of Florida because of Tim Tebow? Personally, I root for LSU regardless of who is on the roster. None of the players stay there for more than a few years and these schools have had history dating back generations.
The athletes generate revenue for the schools because they play the game, but not always because of who there were before they even got to the school. You put Tim Tebow on FAU instead of UF and the revenue UF generates probably does go down (simply because they are not as likely to win as much) but does FAU really generate that much more because Tebow went there? If the National Championship game is UCF vs. Washington State, the NCAA does not make nearly as much as it did for Alabama vs Clemson. It has almost nothing to do with the actual players and way more to do with the teams. Its why Notre Dame and USC are draws even when they are bad.
And for players hating the system so much, a number of them sure like to donate the money they make from the NFL freely to the schools they went to.
Can the system be improved to be better for the athletes? Yes. But is the system broken? Absolutely not. There is no reason to change a system for a very small percent of what makes up the system.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 4:15 am to theenemy
The problem here is that the NCAA exists without any of the financial risk of some new college league.
The colleges/universities were already in place or would be in place after their inception. They didn't front the campuses, stadiums, coaching staffs, etc.
Their organization built up into a practically unbreakable monopoly that no one can circumvent because it's an all or nothing system in place.
The simple answer is to keep scholarships & stipends as they are. Then allow individual players to earn/profit off of their likeness as they can. A QB & a badminton player have the same athletic department at their disposal to promote their name/brand. The fans will pay for what they want to pay for.
What this might actually do is cause more student athletes to major in majors that actually mayyer so that they can help themselves & others like them i.e. business, sports management, marketing, advertising, ISDS/computer analytics, etc.
Those that have no desire to be in the corporate world, should be encouraged to go into education/coaching.
The colleges/universities were already in place or would be in place after their inception. They didn't front the campuses, stadiums, coaching staffs, etc.
Their organization built up into a practically unbreakable monopoly that no one can circumvent because it's an all or nothing system in place.
The simple answer is to keep scholarships & stipends as they are. Then allow individual players to earn/profit off of their likeness as they can. A QB & a badminton player have the same athletic department at their disposal to promote their name/brand. The fans will pay for what they want to pay for.
What this might actually do is cause more student athletes to major in majors that actually mayyer so that they can help themselves & others like them i.e. business, sports management, marketing, advertising, ISDS/computer analytics, etc.
Those that have no desire to be in the corporate world, should be encouraged to go into education/coaching.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 6:49 am to tiger1014
Thread is a perfect example of how self-centered people can be. It's not like these guys don't know the NCAA, NFL and these universities are robbing kids blind with this forced "minor league" front as a student athlete system.
It's the fact their arse haven't been in the situation so they don't care most kids don't make it to the next level. They don't care if a kid has a career ending injury which prevents them from making it to the next level to finally get paid for their services.
They don't care because it ain't them.
The moment one of them is in that situation they are the loudest (because they're so damn entitled) complainers stunned anyone could go through it when they advocated many should shut up and deal with it.
Reminiscent about how opioid abuse only became an issue when the children of politicians, wealthy businessmen, etc.. became victims.
Before then you same people didn't give a shite when it was other people inflicted because it never hit home. Now it's hit home it suddenly needs attention and tax money because NOW it's a problem.
Pathetic and selfish.
It's the fact their arse haven't been in the situation so they don't care most kids don't make it to the next level. They don't care if a kid has a career ending injury which prevents them from making it to the next level to finally get paid for their services.
They don't care because it ain't them.
The moment one of them is in that situation they are the loudest (because they're so damn entitled) complainers stunned anyone could go through it when they advocated many should shut up and deal with it.
Reminiscent about how opioid abuse only became an issue when the children of politicians, wealthy businessmen, etc.. became victims.
Before then you same people didn't give a shite when it was other people inflicted because it never hit home. Now it's hit home it suddenly needs attention and tax money because NOW it's a problem.
Pathetic and selfish.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:28 am to theenemy
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Laugh all you want but I still believe organizations and businesses should be allowed to set there own rules and enforce them.
Good thing you weren't making the rules when segregation was an issue. Once again, "we shouldn't question the rules" is not a legitimate argument. Unless you just want to get rail-roaded your whole life.
And can we please stop this stupid "they should go start their own league" stuff? The NCAA is a legal monopoly right now with billions of dollars in national TV contracts. They have set the market up in a way that anyone that tries to directly challenge them (outside of an NFL developmental league) will die on the vine with the quickness. You know that, I know that.
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Think of it this way. Are LSU fans a fan of Jacob Hester because he played for LSU or are they LSU fans because of Jacob Hester? Are Florida fans only fans of Florida because of Tim Tebow? Personally, I root for LSU regardless of who is on the roster.
There were tons of people that started following Florida for Tim Tebow's play in addition to his religious beliefs.
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The simple answer is to keep scholarships & stipends as they are. Then allow individual players to earn/profit off of their likeness as they can. A QB & a badminton player have the same athletic department at their disposal to promote their name/brand. The fans will pay for what they want to pay for.
This guy gets it.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 7:44 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:33 am to YStar
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It's the fact their arse haven't been in the situation so they don't care most kids don't make it to the next level. They don't care if a kid has a career ending injury which prevents them from making it to the next level to finally get paid for their services
And if that happens, they have a degree to fall back on like the rest of us. A degree they got for free and some
Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:38 am to Deactived
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And if that happens, they have a degree to fall back on like the rest of us. A degree they got for free and some
Folks keep throwing this around like it's some sort of trump card but it has zero to do with whether or not they should make money on their likeness. This isn't an either/or scenario.
Do I think they have it good by getting a free college degree to play a game? You bet. And that is a huge perk.
But I cannot wrap my mind around why anyone in America would be opposed to someone making money off their likeness on their free time.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 7:48 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:52 am to HogX
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But I cannot wrap my mind around why anyone in America would be opposed to someone making money off their likeness on their free time.
The can of worms is already getting revealed with how dirty college athletics is and you want to add in a slew of people with bags of money on campus for kids
Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:53 am to BoerneAg
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could only see football breaking away from the NCAA maybe.
Yep and they certainly have cut the cords financially thank God.
BTW, everybody is welcome for UGA and Oklahoma sueing the NCAA over TV restrictions.And the NCAA never forgot BTW Got hammered by them twice in the 80's.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:06 am to Deactived
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The can of worms is already getting revealed with how dirty college athletics is and you want to add in a slew of people with bags of money on campus for kids
What I want is for kids to have an alternative to sleezy boosters. I think that if kids have a legit way to make money off of their star power and have no risk of being ruled ineligible, then they'd be much less inclined to take illegal payments from these sort of people. Why risk it when you could instead sign a few dozen autographs, bring home some decent cash, and be completely clean.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:56 am to HogX
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What I want is for kids to have an alternative to sleezy boosters
Who said they were going to be leaving? Lol.
You're just going to be adding more sleazy people into the mix.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:26 am to Deactived
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Who said they were going to be leaving? Lol.
You're just going to be adding more sleazy people into the mix.
I completely disagree. Unfortunately, right now both takes are total conjecture so whenever players are ultimately allowed to make money off their likenesses (which I expect to happen in the coming years), I guess we will see how it affects the landscape in actuality.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:40 am to HogX
It just ups the ante.
Sleezy booster- Heres 100k. Come to our school. We have people setup to make you even more money, legally
Your solution to get sleazy boosters out of athletics is to add more streams of money to the athletes. I mean jeez you can't actually think this is going to work out and be 100% honest
Sleezy booster- Heres 100k. Come to our school. We have people setup to make you even more money, legally
Your solution to get sleazy boosters out of athletics is to add more streams of money to the athletes. I mean jeez you can't actually think this is going to work out and be 100% honest
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:32 am to HogX
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. I think that if kids have a legit way to make money off of their star power and have no risk of being ruled ineligible, then they'd be much less inclined to take illegal payments from these sort of people.
Allowing students to "profit from their likeness" doesn't remove the "sleezy boosters". It just makes the payments legal.
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