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re: You As The NFL Scout: Tim Tebow
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:33 am to TheDoc
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:33 am to TheDoc
things in his favor:
1) outstanding work ethic and intangibles
2) physical tools to make it in the NFL
3) experience playing at a high level of football
4) lack of experience in a pro style offense means he has fewer bad habits to break when he gets to the NFL
5) has a superstar level of competitiveness
things working against him:
1) very slow windup style throwing motion
2) hot and cold with his accuracy
3) would have to learn basic pro QB fundamentals from scratch
4) rarely has to throw NFL routes (deep outs, fade stops and rail routes)
He reminds me of a cross between Daunte Culpepper (with his running) and Kerry Collins (with his throwing). Tebow is every bit their equal physically and both of those guys were lesser men intellectually than Tebow IMO and they made it to ALL Pro status in the League. I think given the right opportunity on the right team he can be a solid pro.
I seriously doubt he would get past New England in the draft, with Cassel as a FA and the questions about Brady, Tebow is the perfect guy for Bellichick to draft as a backup and to run their version of the single wing like Miami.
Does anyone else thing Tebow "tarnishes" his reputation a little bit if he goes pro? The guy could be the greatest college football ever but he would have to stay at UF to do it.
I think he stays
1) outstanding work ethic and intangibles
2) physical tools to make it in the NFL
3) experience playing at a high level of football
4) lack of experience in a pro style offense means he has fewer bad habits to break when he gets to the NFL
5) has a superstar level of competitiveness
things working against him:
1) very slow windup style throwing motion
2) hot and cold with his accuracy
3) would have to learn basic pro QB fundamentals from scratch
4) rarely has to throw NFL routes (deep outs, fade stops and rail routes)
He reminds me of a cross between Daunte Culpepper (with his running) and Kerry Collins (with his throwing). Tebow is every bit their equal physically and both of those guys were lesser men intellectually than Tebow IMO and they made it to ALL Pro status in the League. I think given the right opportunity on the right team he can be a solid pro.
I seriously doubt he would get past New England in the draft, with Cassel as a FA and the questions about Brady, Tebow is the perfect guy for Bellichick to draft as a backup and to run their version of the single wing like Miami.
Does anyone else thing Tebow "tarnishes" his reputation a little bit if he goes pro? The guy could be the greatest college football ever but he would have to stay at UF to do it.
I think he stays
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Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:35 am to TheDoc
4th round, there are worse passing qb's that get drafted
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:36 am to TheDoc
I've always been one to say that I can't picture Tebow on a pro roster, but...the kid plays the game to win and should be an asset to any team that gives him a roster spot.
His numbers sure seem pro-worthy, 6-3, 238; 40 time in the mid-4's. I haven't seen his 225lb bench rep count, but I sure can see him doing well at the combine.
A quarterback who inspires with the emotion of a middle linebacker, but is a level-headed leader when he's behind the ball.
Now, which team will be blessed with ability to put #15 jerseys on the market?
Here are a list of candidates who should need a franchise qb in 2010:
Miami - Pennington's about to start his 10 year and Tebow would be right at home in Florida.
Tampa Bay - (see Miami, insert Garcia)
San Francisco - Sullivan is pitiful and Urban's other donation to the league is his backup.
Minnesota - Tarvaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte (need I say more); this squad is a quarterback away from being a contender.
Kansas City - would start his first year
Tennessee - they should try for the triple threat with this guy instead of Young.
Buffalo - Trent Edwards vs. JP Losman would be over
Cleveland - imagine Brady Quinn's face on draftday.
Philadelphia - McNabb is as old as me; Tebow deserves better than this place, though.
Detroit - (should draft Sam Bradford this year)
Seattle - Hasselbeck 10th season -- Ooo...my back.
Looks like a first rounder, but that would be nice if Dallas could pick him up in the second. He could save the team in the long run.
His numbers sure seem pro-worthy, 6-3, 238; 40 time in the mid-4's. I haven't seen his 225lb bench rep count, but I sure can see him doing well at the combine.
A quarterback who inspires with the emotion of a middle linebacker, but is a level-headed leader when he's behind the ball.
Now, which team will be blessed with ability to put #15 jerseys on the market?
Here are a list of candidates who should need a franchise qb in 2010:
Miami - Pennington's about to start his 10 year and Tebow would be right at home in Florida.
Tampa Bay - (see Miami, insert Garcia)
San Francisco - Sullivan is pitiful and Urban's other donation to the league is his backup.
Minnesota - Tarvaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte (need I say more); this squad is a quarterback away from being a contender.
Kansas City - would start his first year
Tennessee - they should try for the triple threat with this guy instead of Young.
Buffalo - Trent Edwards vs. JP Losman would be over
Cleveland - imagine Brady Quinn's face on draftday.
Philadelphia - McNabb is as old as me; Tebow deserves better than this place, though.
Detroit - (should draft Sam Bradford this year)
Seattle - Hasselbeck 10th season -- Ooo...my back.
Looks like a first rounder, but that would be nice if Dallas could pick him up in the second. He could save the team in the long run.
This post was edited on 1/9/09 at 8:38 am
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:44 am to Chaz95
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Miami - Pennington's about to start his 10 year and Tebow would be right at home in Florida. Already drafted that Mich kid second round last year
Tampa Bay - (see Miami, insert Garcia) agree
San Francisco - Sullivan is pitiful and Urban's other donation to the league is his backup. agree
Minnesota - Tarvaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte (need I say more); this squad is a quarterback away from being a contender. they're gonna stick with TJ
Kansas City - would start his first year agree
Tennessee - they should try for the triple threat with this guy instead of Young. can't see it
Buffalo - Trent Edwards vs. JP Losman would be over Trent is the future
Cleveland - imagine Brady Quinn's face on draftday. They're sticking with Quinn
Philadelphia - McNabb is as old as me; Tebow deserves better than this place, though. They just drafted Kolb not to long ago in the second round
Detroit - (should draft Sam Bradford this year) agree
Seattle - Hasselbeck 10th season -- Ooo...my back. I think they'll stick with Rosenfels
my thoughts
Posted on 1/9/09 at 8:54 am to The Ramp
hey, that was my take as an NFL scout. I just wanted to illustrate that a third of the league could consider drafting him; not evaluating the financial ramifications to the team's salary cap. I even put in Dallas even though they just signed Romo last year...they really need to give him support and they spend $3.5MM last year on some pretty shitty support.
you're probably 100% on with your analysis
you're probably 100% on with your analysis
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:15 am to Chaz95
Personally, I think he should go first round as a QB. Tenn took a simular QB in Vince Young. Not the best example because VY is such a head case but you get my point.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:17 am to TheDoc
It seemed Tebow tried to be a pocket QB in the first half and it didn't work. He's a runner. Two words: Eric Crouch. (That's not a knock, Crouch was an awesome college QB whose skills simply didn't translate to the NFL)
Posted on 1/9/09 at 9:38 am to Chaz95
quote:
hey, that was my take as an NFL scout.
thanks for sticking to the thread
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:52 am to charlottetiger
quote:
would be a good fit in Chicago as QB
this is exactly what i posted last night. if Miami can be successful with Ronnie Brown in the wildcat, use Tebow in a similar fashion. Orton as primary QB. Bring in Tebow 35 percent of the time and pound away with him and Forte and use Hester as the in motion back. Would work in a defense first, ball control team.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 11:45 am to supatigah
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4) rarely has to throw NFL routes (deep outs, fade stops and rail routes)
He threw one yesterday and Nic Harris,a guy that will play WLB or SLB in the pros because he is too slow to play SS, picked him off. It was his first pick and he threw it from the left hash, across his shoulder to the right sideline,about 20 yards down the field. Didn't help that he stared him down. But his delivery and arm strength were exposed on this play.
He doesnt check down well either. Just because he has alot of receivers with many catches does not mean he is checking down. He usually makes one read to the primary receiver and if that is not there then he checks down to a back, then scrambles. He checks to a secondary or tertiary receiver when he scrambles.
In the pros, he would be sacked already. I have yet to see him go 1, 2, 3, back, scramble in terms of progression. The only QB ive seen do it this year is Mark Sanchez.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:33 pm to Chaz95
quote:
He reminds me of a cross between Daunte Culpepper (with his running) and Kerry Collins (with his throwing). Tebow is every bit their equal physically and both of those guys were lesser men intellectually than Tebow I
Dante is a lesser man, intellectually, than the navel lint I just picked...and ate.
quote:
...imagine Brady Quinn's face on draftday.
"Now I'm done."
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:49 pm to TheDoc
I cannot see him as an NFL QB. He played in one of the worst offensive systems in college to prepare him for the NFL. His footwork would need serious work. Release is way way too slow. He would have to work on his reads, especially during play action when his back is to the defense. He should stay at Florida one more year and have Meyer install some pro-style packages.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 1:08 pm to bdsco337
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He should stay at Florida one more year and have Meyer install some pro-style packages.
While that might be a good idea to get him used to the pro style, would it have a negative impact on him if he struggled to adjust to it? It is one thing to try to learn the pro system in training camp and on the practice field during the week, but to try and learn it your senior year while being in the national spotlight, it could really make him look bad.
That being said, I do agree that as it is it is difficult to see him as an every down NFL QB. However, is he really suited for any other position? I don't know if he could take the constant hits from NFL defenses if you played him as a running back. He woudl be great in a wildcat situation like Brown at Miami, but Ronnie was a runnign back in college. Even with three or four guys in the backfield to spell him, would Tebow hold up? I've never seen him catch that many passes, so would he be valuable as a TE? I was thinkign about a slot receiver that you could run a gadget play with him like an end around - where he gives you the option to throw once you toss him the ball. Then again, can he catch well enough to be in a role where his primary duty is as a receiver?
Maybe you draft him 3rd or 4th round and use him in certain situations (Wildcat and other gadget type plays) so he can make an impact right off but work with him and try to get him adjusted to the pro style and hopefully within a couple of years he could maybe then move to a QB position.
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