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re: Anyone Else Just Given Up On Game of Thrones?
Posted on 4/30/16 at 1:34 pm to Carson123987
Posted on 4/30/16 at 1:34 pm to Carson123987
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tremendously underrated. near perfect episode
Really the spectacle of Hardhome and Blackwater put them above Baelor for me. After Baelor though, I get a bit more wishy washy on the rankings. Baelor is without question a Top 3 episode for me.
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Posted on 4/30/16 at 1:38 pm to Starchild
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Hardhome is in its rightful place...best episode in the whole series
no, just no. i get that people got super erect b/c of the 28 days later zombies at the end and the cheeky "wut" moment when the white talker ice met valarian steel, but it was simply not in the same universe as an episode like blackwater. i just re-watched the series and it's incredible how much better the overall quality was earlier in the series
Posted on 4/30/16 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i just re-watched the series and it's incredible how much better the overall quality was earlier in the series
thank you
Posted on 4/30/16 at 1:40 pm to Carson123987
the seasons as a whole were just much better as a unit. the later seasons have a good episode scattered here and there, but nowhere near the structured quality of the early seasons.
im not a book purist in any way, but it's absolutely true that the further they get from Martin, the worse they get. you get things like pandering, cheesy lines, and the dornish storyline
im not a book purist in any way, but it's absolutely true that the further they get from Martin, the worse they get. you get things like pandering, cheesy lines, and the dornish storyline
Posted on 4/30/16 at 1:41 pm to Carson123987
although it's funny how mediocre the production was in season 1 (which i am sure is for budetary issues)
the fact that the list posted has "dance with dragons" at 10 is just pathetic
OMG DANNY RIDES HER DRAGONS! in a completely retarded scene that looked like absolute shite
the fact that the list posted has "dance with dragons" at 10 is just pathetic
OMG DANNY RIDES HER DRAGONS! in a completely retarded scene that looked like absolute shite
Posted on 4/30/16 at 1:50 pm to Carson123987
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im not a book purist in any way, but it's absolutely true that the further they get from Martin, the worse they get.
To be fair to D&D, Martin didn't give them nearly as good material to work with last season as they have in the past, and the one they pulled out of their arse happens to be a change I wish happened in the books.
But I have to agree. Season 1 is the superior and more consistent season. Season 3 is when the quality (despite having several good episodes) started going down, starting with the plot line of Pod having a monster penis.
Watchers on the Wall I still stand by as being one of the lesser episodes of the series. Aside from Ygritte dying in Jon's arms, I'm not given a reason to care. I know the Wildlings will lose simply knowing basic plot structure and Jon Snow will survive.
Now compare this to Blackwater. One hell of a badass is invading King's Landing to kill the most loathe some human ever written... But we also are conflicted due to Tyrion, Sansa, and many innocents being in the city who will be raped and killed if Stannis wins. And the backdrop isn't Gilly and Janos crying, but Sansa and Cersei taunting one another while Cersei almost poisons her son. It tries to emulate Blackwater but aside from the special effects, it fails in every way possible.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 4/30/16 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i just re-watched the series and it's incredible how much better the overall quality was earlier in the series
This. The decline started with the 4th season. The 5th season had a couple great moments, but far more wtf moments.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 2:16 pm to kingbob
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This. The decline started with the 4th season. The 5th season had a couple great moments, but far more wtf moments.
And it was with real WTF moments as well. Like why change the fact that Tyrion didn't kill Tywin over Tysha? And LF being the actual main antagonist of the series is simply treated as an aside that meant nothing in the the long run. Really Lysa just speaking of it among themselves instead of in the middle of a mental breakdown was a horrible, horrible choice that I can't fathom why D&D thought that was a good idea.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 9:00 pm to Carson123987
I think you try too hard at times. We get it, you're one of the fans who whines and bitches at every slight change from the books--even the good changes.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:37 pm to SirSaintly
I started reading the books around 1999. I enjoyed the first couple of seasons but lost interest mid 3rd season. I don't think it had anything to do with the show itself, just the realization the the next book will never come out and the show will eventually make up some bullshite to complete the series.
The first 3 books are golden, and I look forward to marathonining the show when it is done but my patience has worn through. I am not waiting or caring anymore for GoT. There are too many other good books out there for me to spend any more time on this franchise.
The first 3 books are golden, and I look forward to marathonining the show when it is done but my patience has worn through. I am not waiting or caring anymore for GoT. There are too many other good books out there for me to spend any more time on this franchise.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 4:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's incredible how much better the overall quality was earlier in the series
Certainly the writing was. Martin has the skill to manipulate an audience and weave a tale. The show writers seem to be flailing around without an understanding of their characters (in Dorne for example). I winced at the idea of Tyrion throwing a dickless insult at little birds last episode. He doesn't do that. He is himself a dwarf who knows he is horrible to behold. He would readily answer that Varys is a eunuch but never throw that into his face like a 14 year old boy.
I'm fine with Sansa becoming more sophisticated. I'm puzzled that the writers have stepped away from showing the significance of men like Littlefinger or even Pycele (who, a grand maester, is presented as a buffoon without challenge).
The only scene worth having from the last episode was probably the union of Sansa and Briene.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 8:16 am to molsusports
I thought the scenes at the Wall were great last episode.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree that the series was much better in the first few seasons. But, I am starting to think, part of the reason that the series isnt as captivating, is asking - "are there too many characters now?"
As I read thru some of these posts, it's obvious this "Dorne" thing is a fairly big deal in the books. And now, they have sprinkled in a failed and boring plotline for some odd reason. And so, I wonder if the TV runners have succumbed to outside pressure to include characters and storylines, that they actually dont want to. That is to say, the first couple seasons, you pretty much had The Starks, the Wall, The Lannisters and Mother of Dragons. That was it, those were the 4 converging story lines.
Has the success of the series, along with the rabid fans who love the books been so vocal, as to influence HBO to include subplots and minor characters just for fan service? Thereby causing a net effect of decreasing the quality of the show?
As I read thru some of these posts, it's obvious this "Dorne" thing is a fairly big deal in the books. And now, they have sprinkled in a failed and boring plotline for some odd reason. And so, I wonder if the TV runners have succumbed to outside pressure to include characters and storylines, that they actually dont want to. That is to say, the first couple seasons, you pretty much had The Starks, the Wall, The Lannisters and Mother of Dragons. That was it, those were the 4 converging story lines.
Has the success of the series, along with the rabid fans who love the books been so vocal, as to influence HBO to include subplots and minor characters just for fan service? Thereby causing a net effect of decreasing the quality of the show?
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:18 am to Uncle Stu
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But, I am starting to think, part of the reason that the series isnt as captivating, is asking - "are there too many characters now?"
see i don't think it's "too many characters" as much as it's just been removed from the political intrigue of kings landing
i guess it could be too many characters, or more directly, too much of a feeling that you have to give certain characters a lot of tv time. the scene in mereen was worthless, for instance. it had bad dialogue, a horrible joke, and the "reveal" (Burned ships) that could have been referenced later without any real loss in impact. danny didn't need to have a 10 minute scene to tell us she's going to vaes dothrak. but they HAD to include these to ensure that fan favorites tyrion and danny got screen time
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Has the success of the series, along with the rabid fans who love the books been so vocal, as to influence HBO to include subplots and minor characters just for fan service? Thereby causing a net effect of decreasing the quality of the show?
Dorne was necessary regardless b/c that's where Myrcella was. she had to die and they had to build some sort of a plot around the death. the showrunners just had no real idea of how to do this within the context of their GOT universe, and threw shite against the wall (but added tits so hodors would rejoice!)
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
As long as there are boobs and dragons I'm watching. - Hodor/Walking Dead fanatic
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:28 am to NIH
no shock that walking dead fanbros love Hardhome and its zombies. bit of a topical crossing there
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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no shock that walking dead fanbros love Hardhome and its zombies. bit of a topical crossing there
What's with the sudden hate of Hardhome? There wasn't a bad scene in it, and I think they learned from "Watchers on the Wall" on how to do a battle scene.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:42 am to OMLandshark
i don't hate it but i think that it's overrated b/c of the zombie fight at the end. i kept quiet about it b/c i didn't want to do that thing that i'm known for (that's more reserved for movies b/c there is only 1 movie). it gave a lot of viewers (esp readers) "what they want", but that doesn't mean it was done overly well, to me.
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Lets not forget you becoming public enemy #1 on this board after the first 3 episodes of true detective
Posted on 5/1/16 at 9:51 am to Cosmo
yeah i learned a lot from that experience
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