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re: Finally watched The Leftovers
Posted on 6/4/25 at 6:10 am to LanierSpots
Posted on 6/4/25 at 6:10 am to LanierSpots
Jusat finished the show last night. Glad to finally be able to jump in leftovers threads now.
I get this question. But how are you going to believe all the hotel/international assassin/other world jumping that Kevin does with no hesitation but then not believe Nora's story? We either believe all this crazy ridiculous stuff the show presents us or dismiss it, but I'm not sure how you can accept some and reject others.
As for the ignoring her family, I guess I can kinda see it. In the moment watching the show I thought THAT to be the most unbelievable part. But the more I htink about it the more I believe her saying that she'd essentially be a stranger to them, a ghost with no place. They were children and now are teens with a new family and happily living life, it's possible she didn't want to single handedly disrupt all that. Plus I remember back to her and Erika's converstaion about closure (with burying evie) so perhaps seeing them alive and well was nora's version of closure so she coudl move on.
And lastly...what possible reason would she have to lie to kevin in that moment? Like what would her motivations be?
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Am I supposed to believe that Nora "actually" got in the Delorean, got up to 88mph and headed to the alternate dimension, somehow found her family, then decided not to engage, found the designer of the machine, blew him so he would "then" put the effort in to fly her back to 1985 where she decided NOT to engage with anyone again that she knew and just live in exile?
I get this question. But how are you going to believe all the hotel/international assassin/other world jumping that Kevin does with no hesitation but then not believe Nora's story? We either believe all this crazy ridiculous stuff the show presents us or dismiss it, but I'm not sure how you can accept some and reject others.
As for the ignoring her family, I guess I can kinda see it. In the moment watching the show I thought THAT to be the most unbelievable part. But the more I htink about it the more I believe her saying that she'd essentially be a stranger to them, a ghost with no place. They were children and now are teens with a new family and happily living life, it's possible she didn't want to single handedly disrupt all that. Plus I remember back to her and Erika's converstaion about closure (with burying evie) so perhaps seeing them alive and well was nora's version of closure so she coudl move on.
And lastly...what possible reason would she have to lie to kevin in that moment? Like what would her motivations be?
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:05 am to LanierSpots
I started watching because of this thread, and I'm on the third episode.
Not really feeling it so far, does it pick up?
Young Margaret Qualley is enjoyable but not sure it's enough.
Not really feeling it so far, does it pick up?
Young Margaret Qualley is enjoyable but not sure it's enough.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:00 am to CocomoLSU
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stuck with me for a while after I finished.
FWIW
This is why it's GOAT level for me.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:26 am to WG_Dawg
I kind of feel the same. The show is essentially science fiction made as real as possible. I get if you don't want to believe it just based on you don't think the science is real but but I think they were able to pull it off.
Also, had it not worked, I don't think she would have been bitter for so long/wanted to live in isolation. That would have been extremely devastating and would just want you to leave and start a new life as far away from everyone you know as possible, especially after what happened with Kevin. And that's what she did.
Also, had it not worked, I don't think she would have been bitter for so long/wanted to live in isolation. That would have been extremely devastating and would just want you to leave and start a new life as far away from everyone you know as possible, especially after what happened with Kevin. And that's what she did.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:28 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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I started watching because of this thread, and I'm on the third episode.
Not really feeling it so far, does it pick up?
Many people on here, myself included, think it's the best show of all time. So personally, yes, I'd say it picks up
But it's not for everybody. There are some on here/in this thread that like season one better but the majority of people consider the last two seasons to be the best. I'd keep going.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:31 am to WG_Dawg
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I get this question. But how are you going to believe all the hotel/international assassin/other world jumping that Kevin does with no hesitation but then not believe Nora's story? We either believe all this crazy ridiculous stuff the show presents us or dismiss it, but I'm not sure how you can accept some and reject others.
This is also one of the main reasons I believe her. There's no reason for her to lie about it, especially at that point. And also, like you said, of all the unbelievable shite in this show, we're gonna draw the line there?
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I started watching because of this thread, and I'm on the third episode.
Not really feeling it so far, does it pick up?
Young Margaret Qualley is enjoyable but not sure it's enough.
Oh boy.
That depends on how you define "pick up." IMO the first season is by far the best, and the following two get less and less good (though they are still good). so if you mean quality then I'd say stick it out for S1 and if you aren't super attached to it you should give up. But if you define "pick up" as does the story get wild and batshit insane, then I'd say it definitely does. I didn't like the off-the-rails directions it went in as much as the more grounded first season, but some people loved it.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:34 am to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
you seem to be a big fan so I have some questions that I'm not clear on hopefully you can answer.
I guess i need to say there will be SPOILERS below, although why someone not wanting to be spoiled would enter a thread wtih this title is another question entirely....
-Why Australia for Norah? I think the first happening in Australia is that's where Kevin Sr. disappears to to learn the ancient song. So I get that that's why Kevin Jr. goes there, and Matt (and others) then go to retrieve Kevin Jr. But we see in the final episode that after Norah's journey when she just wants to live in solitude and leave her former life behind..why Australia? And how did Kevin Jr. know to look for her in Australia?
-Was the significance of the national geographic ever explained? There was one very specific issue that was very important that Kevin Sr. kept trying to get in Kevin Jrs. hands. Do we know what the point of that was?
-Do we know more about the motivations of the reverend wayne guy, or was he just some cult nut? In season 1 he's made out to be a very important figure and a key piece to things but I can't recall anything actually mattering. He basically impregnates girls, says their offspring is the chosen one, hugs people's pain away, typical cult stuff..but I can't remember what his actual purpose or intent was
Also these aren't "because I have these questions I think the show sucks" type of questions. I binged the series pretty quickly so a lot of things kind of blend together and I simply don't remember.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:44 am to WG_Dawg
quote:I think the "voices" that Kevin Sr heard were telling him to go to Australia to learn the songs/dances of the Aboriginal tribes, and that this song and dance would stop the world from ending.
-Was the significance of the national geographic ever explained? There was one very specific issue that was very imporatnt that Kevin Sr. kept trying to get in Kevin Jrs. hands. Do we know what the point of that was?
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:47 am to different arse
Correct, I mentioned that in one of the other questions btu I don't remember what that specific edition of national georgraphic had to do wtih anything, or why KS thought it so importnat to get it to KJr.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:57 am to WG_Dawg
Yea, idk. Let the mystery be.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 1:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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-Why Australia nor Norah? I think the first happening in Australia is that's where Kevin Sr. disappears to to learn the ancient song. So I get that that's why Kevin Jr. goes there, and Matt (and others) then go to retrieve Kevin Jr. But we see in the final episode that after Norah's journey when she jsut wants to live in solitude and leave her former life behind..why Australia? And how did Kevin Jr. know to look for her in Australia?
Nora and Kevin were in Australia when they had their breakup as well. The's just kind of "Leftover" there. I think it mentioned she actually had to take a boat from Australia to go back to try and find her family because on the 2% side there weren't enough pilots to make flight available. Then she searches out there creator of the LADR machine to transport her back, which probably just automatically took her back to Australia since that's where they were based, and she just decides to stay there since everything in her life is pretty much gone.
You could say that Laurie spilled the beans to Kevin that that was where Nora was staying but when Nora talked on the phone to Laurie in the last episode and asked if she told Kevin where she was at, Laurie seemed genuine when she said that she'd never break "client confidentiality", although she did earlier in the show. So possibly Laurie telling Kevin or Kevin making an assumption that she just stayed there. He never believed Matt, who told Kevin that she had died. I think Kevin looked for 15 years. It was kind of assumed that his family thought it was just his yearly vacation and they didn't have any idea he was actually going each year to look for Nora. So based off that you would think that Laurie didn't tell him, but rather it was his guess.
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-Was the significance of the national geographic ever explained? There was one very specific issue that was very imporatnt that Kevin Sr. kept trying to get in Kevin Jrs. hands. Do we know what the point of that was?
So this can be either a red herring or something to dive into much deeper. That issue was an actual real National Geographic magazine and the show took numerous articles from it and dropped easter eggs throughout the show that only someone doing a deep dive would catch. Four of the five articles in that magazine popped up in some way in the show, as well as dates.
A prominent article being Have Excavations On The Island Of Thera Solved The Riddle Of The Minoans...
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First of all, the Minoan riddle is an interesting one. It refers to what happened to the once flourishing Minoan culture on Crete, which completely disappeared around 1450 BC. There was some speculation that a volcano on the island of Thera had spread enough ash onto Crete to wipe out their civilization, but archeologist later ruled that out by determining that the Minoans existed in Crete long after the volcano erupted. Some people assume that they were wiped out by invading forces. Other theories suggest the Minoan civilization had simply exceeded its environmental carrying capacity and died off. Like the Departed in The Leftovers, nobody really knows what exactly happened that caused them all to disappear, and that mystery may continue on The Leftovers.
But I think more importantly it showed that in some way Kevin Sr's voices weren't just completely made up. He was chasing his tail but his crazy voices at least made some sense or he had a reason to do what he was doing. When he told Kevin about the Nat. Geo, Kevin Jr wasn't hearing voices at the time so it was just something crazy to him that he dismissed.
It was almost like a Bible to Kevin Sr, which is crazy, but crazy people in a cray world do weird things. I liked it.
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-Do we know more about the motivations of the reverend wayne guy, or was he just some cult nut? In season 1 he's made out to be a very important figure and a key piece to things but I can't recall anything actually mattering. He basically impregnates girls, says their offspring is the chosen one, hugs people's pain away, typical cult stuff..btu I can't remember what his actual purpose or intent was
Yes he was just a cult leader knocking up as many girls as he could. Just a sham. When he was hunted down by the police they mentioned he was wanted for numerous counts of rape. In the book it was very clear that he was a sham, the show seems a little more up for interpretation. Though later on when Tommy takes on the role of hugging peoples pain away, it seems like he was able to do the same thing Wayne did and obviously didn't have any special power.
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Also these aren't "because I have these questions I think the show sucks" type of questions. I binged the series pretty quickly so a lot of things kind of blend together and I sipmly don't remember.
Yea I didn't take it that way and even if you didn't like it, I'd get it, it's not for everyone. I just like talking about it, With so many things it's like the theme song says, "just let the mystery be."
Posted on 6/4/25 at 3:52 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Nora and Kevin were in Australia when they had their breakup as well. The's just kind of "Leftover" there. I think it mentioned she actually had to take a boat from Australia to go back to try and find her family because on the 2% side there weren't enough pilots to make flight available. Then she searches out there creator of the LADR machine to transport her back, which probably just automatically took her back to Australia since that's where they were based, and she just decides to stay there since everything in her life is pretty much gone.
Seems easier to just believe she stopped it in time (or nothing happened), never left, and just stayed there in isolation out of guilt for not going thru with it but also due to her willingness to give up her current family for something without real verifiable proof of being anything more than a suicide machine. Feeling she was unworthy of either life or family. Kevin just wanting to be with her gave her the out that she needed by saying he believed her story without hesitation as otherwise she likely continues to live on by herself for same reasons she has been doing.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:02 pm to dallastigers
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Seems easier to just believe she stopped it in time (or nothing happened), never left, and just stayed there in isolation out of guilt for not going thru with it but also due to her willingness to give up her current family for something without real verifiable proof of being anything more than a suicide machine. Feeling she was unworthy of either life or family. Kevin just wanting to be with her gave her the out that she needed by saying he believed her story without hesitation as otherwise she likely continues to live on by herself for same reasons she has been doing.
Yea, a fair enough conclusion. It's certainly open for debate and I think many of the options make sense. I can get behind most of them outside of the Nora died theory.
I read that Lindelof wanted a definite, no doubt about it what happened ending, but the author was adamant that he wanted it to be up for debate. Lindelof also said that they wrote it with one thought in mind so they were all on the same page and writing in the same direction but would never, ever, say which version they believe.
I read at one point to that Lindelof was going to show Nora going back and seeing her family but Carrie Coon telling the story was so good that they thought it had a bigger impact and was a better way of leaving the viewer decide if they believe her or not.
Over the years talking about it on here and reading stuff on reddit/online artiles, there are people that have watched it and at no point doubt Noras story and there are people that have at no point believed her and think she made it up. No in between. I think that shows that they pulled the ending off. There's no hatred for the ending like there was with LOST, just more of damn that was good.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 7:22 am to LanierSpots
As great a show as it is, I don't think it would have been nearly as loved without Max Richter's score. Not only is it one of the best scores in TV history, but the way it was used improved just about every scene.
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