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Posted on 6/14/09 at 11:13 pm to trstiger
quote:
Letterman is getting a pass because Palin is GOP.
Posted on 6/14/09 at 11:14 pm to Afreaux
quote:
You answered the question without answering, thanks.
Well, you answered mine!
Posted on 6/15/09 at 8:47 am to trstiger
Greg Gutfeld said it best, Chris Elliott was the true genius behind Letterman in his heyday.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 9:00 am to constant cough
I'd like to hear a joke about Chris Brown slapping one of Obama's daughters or something like that. Letterman would be history. Double Standard.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 9:06 am to constant cough
This whole situation is sad. He shouldn't be fired, just like Imus should not have been fired.
Doesn't make it right, and the spin that's going on is weak at best, but it is what it is. He didn't crack a joke about Palin or her older daughter, he cracked a joke about a grown man with past fidelity problems having sex with a 14 year old girl. Bad taste, terrible joke, even worse apology (if you want to call it that), but I still don't think he should be fired. But to each his own.
Doesn't make it right, and the spin that's going on is weak at best, but it is what it is. He didn't crack a joke about Palin or her older daughter, he cracked a joke about a grown man with past fidelity problems having sex with a 14 year old girl. Bad taste, terrible joke, even worse apology (if you want to call it that), but I still don't think he should be fired. But to each his own.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 10:06 am to b rod lsu
I agree 100% with that statement.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 10:57 am to TigerMyth36
quote:A lot of people make out of line jokes about political figures ... or even their kids.
Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
-- Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.
It seems that those on the right only remember the ones against others on the right and those on the left only remember the ones against their own.
This is stupid and people are blowing it way out of proportion.
It was a bad joke, but now the only people who look bad, IMO, are the ones keeping this crap going.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 10:58 am to TigerInBamaLand
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:00 am to TigerMyth36
quote:I never said it did.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I said it was stupid and blown out of proportion. I gave an example to refute the crying about how you can't get away with something like this directed at the left.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:05 am to TigerInBamaLand
Once again many of the people that are pissed are more angry at the double standard than the joke.
Imus was fired even though he had zero racist intent with his comment.
And barely a word out of the media for Letterman's comments even though his intent was for the joke to be about Bristol, it clearly was about Willow.
Intent didn't matter for Imus so it should not matter for Letterman.
I saw no need for Imus to be canned and I see no reason for Letterman.
But I do see how the double standard pisses people off.
Imus had no racist intent but the joke was taken that way and Letterman had no intent for the joke to be about Willow, but it was taken that way.
Imus was fired even though he had zero racist intent with his comment.
And barely a word out of the media for Letterman's comments even though his intent was for the joke to be about Bristol, it clearly was about Willow.
Intent didn't matter for Imus so it should not matter for Letterman.
I saw no need for Imus to be canned and I see no reason for Letterman.
But I do see how the double standard pisses people off.
Imus had no racist intent but the joke was taken that way and Letterman had no intent for the joke to be about Willow, but it was taken that way.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:09 am to TigerMyth36
quote:Once again, I contend that there is no double standard.
Once again many of the people that are pissed are more angry at the double standard than the joke.
The Imus situation =/= the Letterman situation.
Did McCain get away with his joke in 1998? I'd say he's done just fine since then. Although I haven't checked ... is there a firejohnmccain.com?
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:28 am to TigerInBamaLand
Yes the Imus situation is EXACTLY the same.
Imus had no intent. You have never been able to explain to me how KINKY CURLY FRIZZY are hurtful in any way.
Imus had no racial intent yet it was taken that way. Letterman had no statutory rape intent, but people took it that way.
The situations are the same. Both seal with intent over how the comments were taken.
Imus had no intent. You have never been able to explain to me how KINKY CURLY FRIZZY are hurtful in any way.
Imus had no racial intent yet it was taken that way. Letterman had no statutory rape intent, but people took it that way.
The situations are the same. Both seal with intent over how the comments were taken.
This post was edited on 6/15/09 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:34 am to TigerMyth36
quote:Ok ... I disagree.
Yes the Imus situation is EXACTLY the same.
Don Imus is nowhere near as well known as David Letterman and it was less obvious that what he said was intended as a joke (Letterman is a comedian and only a comedian). Someone stated earlier in the thread that, if that is the first thing you ever heard Don Imus say then your reaction may be a bit stronger than if you routinely listen to his show.
The situations (regardless of what was said) are in no way the same (even if you use BIG LETTERS)
This post was edited on 6/15/09 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:36 am to TigerInBamaLand
Also, as long as we are cherry-picking comments for comparison:
Another gem from Imus:
It was a stupid comment that nothing was made of ... and nothing should have been made of.
Another gem from Imus:
quote:And what was the response by the overbearing Left-Wing media to this little nugget:
WARNER WOLF: Defensive back Adam "Pacman" Jones, recently signed by the Cowboys, here's a guy suspended all of 2007, following a shooting in a Vegas nightclub.
DON IMUS: Well, stuff happens. You're in a nightclub, for God's sake. What do you think is gonna happen in a nightclub. People are drinking, and doing drugs. There are women there and people have guns. So there, go ahead.
WARNER WOLF: Also, he's been arrested six times since being drafted by Tennessee in 2005.
DON IMUS: What color is he?
WARNER WOLF: He's African-American.
DON IMUS: Well there you go, now we know
quote:Huh, that's odd. Why didn't the "liberal attack dogs" get him?
Phil Boyce, vice president of WABC and Citadel Broadcasting Corp., said it was unlikely that disciplinary action would be pursued against Imus, and none was.
It was a stupid comment that nothing was made of ... and nothing should have been made of.
This post was edited on 6/15/09 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:41 am to TigerInBamaLand
Yes they are the same. Intent vs. how it was taken. Both people had different intents but the comments were taken in a much harsher light.
Imus was vilified by the MSM for being a racist when he isn't. Letterman barely gets mentioned in the news when his joke at minimum was misogynistic.
Imus gets fired and Letterman tells the jokes a 2nd time with not even a slap on the wrist.
I am not arguing that Letterman should be fired. Not in one post. I just think there is a double standard. It is obvious to me. You probably argue that CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC are not liberal.
And yes I think Fox is biased. We had to create our on network to get a voice.
You can disagree. But at some point I would still like an explanation of how kinky curly or frizzy is racially hurtful.
Imus was vilified by the MSM for being a racist when he isn't. Letterman barely gets mentioned in the news when his joke at minimum was misogynistic.
Imus gets fired and Letterman tells the jokes a 2nd time with not even a slap on the wrist.
I am not arguing that Letterman should be fired. Not in one post. I just think there is a double standard. It is obvious to me. You probably argue that CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC are not liberal.
And yes I think Fox is biased. We had to create our on network to get a voice.
You can disagree. But at some point I would still like an explanation of how kinky curly or frizzy is racially hurtful.
This post was edited on 6/15/09 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:48 am to TigerMyth36
quote:Is he not?
Imus was vilified by the MSM for being a racist when he isn't.
quote:Also, I just wanted to include this one bacuse .... damn, this guy is terrible:
Robin Quivers claimed that when she worked with Imus at WNBC, he called her a "ni**er" to her face. Both Howard Stern and Quivers have also claimed that he screamed "Ni**er, Ni**er" at an African American secretary named Brenda during their time at WNBC.
quote:
In a 1984 interview, answering a question about Howard Stern, Don Imus said: "yes, Howard's a slut too, Lloyd...Plus a Jew bastard, and should be castrated... put in an oven" A clip of this interview was played by Howard Stern in the news section of his November 5, 2007 show.
I'll admit. I've never listened to Don Imus and I certainly don't plan on starting .... but given these other quotes, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Don Imus =/= David Letterman
Imus's comments about Rutgers =/= Letterman's comments about Palin's daughters.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:06 pm to TigerInBamaLand
Hey. If those quotes are accurate I will retract my statement about Imus. See, unlike many on here I have no problem saying I may be wrong.
Having said that, at the time of his nappy comment, I read none of that. So most people were focusing solely on that one comment not a perceived pattern of racial comments.
I imagine Palin was no less upset about the comments about her daughters than the parents of the Rutgers girls.
I still see a double standard whether the Imus analogy is wrong or right.
In either case the parents and the girls were upset, but since one was deemed racist, the media treats those comments as more harmful than non racial comments. That is the double standard that pisses people off. I call BS. Harmful is harmful.
Having said that, at the time of his nappy comment, I read none of that. So most people were focusing solely on that one comment not a perceived pattern of racial comments.
I imagine Palin was no less upset about the comments about her daughters than the parents of the Rutgers girls.
I still see a double standard whether the Imus analogy is wrong or right.
In either case the parents and the girls were upset, but since one was deemed racist, the media treats those comments as more harmful than non racial comments. That is the double standard that pisses people off. I call BS. Harmful is harmful.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:19 pm to TigerMyth36
I respect that and I understand. But I don't think that I'm getting my point accross very well ... let me try another way:
I suggest that if the "nappy headed" comment had been made, not by Imus but by Jay Leno (or David Letterman for that matter) it would not have been nearly as big a deal as it was.
People saw/heard the comment by Imus and knew nothing of his history or background. They based their entire opinon of the man on that one comment which, on its face could be taken as racially insensitive. If anyone did dig into his background and find the other comments then that opinion of him is further solidified and some people were outraged.
That brings up another reason to me why these situations are not the same ... one dealt with a female (an underage girl actually) and the other dealt with race. I will grant you one thing ... racism is more a powder-keg than sexism. Had Letterman said something racist (or that could be construed as racist) this situation would have been bigger (IMO of course).
If you want to be upset about a double standard I think you are not focusing on the right one. This is not a right v. left double standard but illustarates rather that a lot of people are more sensitive to racial discrimination than gender discrimination.
Anyway, I suspect that neither of us will truly be able to convince the other that we are right (I'm right, FWIW) so I'll probably leave it at that
I suggest that if the "nappy headed" comment had been made, not by Imus but by Jay Leno (or David Letterman for that matter) it would not have been nearly as big a deal as it was.
People saw/heard the comment by Imus and knew nothing of his history or background. They based their entire opinon of the man on that one comment which, on its face could be taken as racially insensitive. If anyone did dig into his background and find the other comments then that opinion of him is further solidified and some people were outraged.
That brings up another reason to me why these situations are not the same ... one dealt with a female (an underage girl actually) and the other dealt with race. I will grant you one thing ... racism is more a powder-keg than sexism. Had Letterman said something racist (or that could be construed as racist) this situation would have been bigger (IMO of course).
If you want to be upset about a double standard I think you are not focusing on the right one. This is not a right v. left double standard but illustarates rather that a lot of people are more sensitive to racial discrimination than gender discrimination.
Anyway, I suspect that neither of us will truly be able to convince the other that we are right (I'm right, FWIW) so I'll probably leave it at that
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:24 pm to TigerInBamaLand
If you look at the last paragraph that is exactly what I said. I said that there is a double standard with racial comments vs. non racial comments. But it is the media which helps propagate and foster that belief. Hurtful is hurtful in my opinion. It is actually inherently racist to assume jokes about you are more hurtful than anyone else. Oh the irony.
I think as powerful as he is at CBS that Dave would be is deep crap if he made a racially charged joke. I think Conan getting the same ratings as Dave proves to CBS that Letterman is not indisposable.
I think as powerful as he is at CBS that Dave would be is deep crap if he made a racially charged joke. I think Conan getting the same ratings as Dave proves to CBS that Letterman is not indisposable.
This post was edited on 6/15/09 at 12:26 pm
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