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re: Full Metal Jacket
Posted on 7/10/08 at 4:03 pm to Murtagh
Posted on 7/10/08 at 4:03 pm to Murtagh
quote:
I don't think i ever watched the second part of it all the way through. Kinda went downhill after Emery goes down
Oh no, no, no my friend. The whole scene with the squad taking down the sniper is about as intense as it gets. Do yourself a favor and sit through it.
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Posted on 7/10/08 at 4:19 pm to coloradoBengal
quote:
Its funny because it illustrates the brotherhood of combat is stronger than any bullshite racism or pseudo-racism can be. He insulted 8-ball constantly, and 8-ball blew him off because he knew Animalmuthr would have his back and give his life for him if he had to. The bullshite of society was backshelved for the reality of war.
Good way to put it.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 4:22 pm to Tiger JJ
i didn't like Schindler's list because it wasn't funny.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 4:41 pm to Tiger JJ
basically the first part is all about the recruits being re-made into an image they don't all accept and Pyle's role is to portray the mental breaking point. The rest of the recruits are pushed to their breaking point but they are able to cope and get past it. Pyle couldnt cope and he broke, and killing the DI then killing himself was the ultimate act of a broken man.
The second part is the recruits becoming mentally hardened soldiers and their realization that for the most part they were re-made into someone else for nothing noble. The only thing noble in their "cause" is their survival and there is no "greater good" for them to be fighting for.
The second part is the recruits becoming mentally hardened soldiers and their realization that for the most part they were re-made into someone else for nothing noble. The only thing noble in their "cause" is their survival and there is no "greater good" for them to be fighting for.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 5:41 pm to BoudinJoe
quote:
...Happy Birthday Dear Jesus....
I sing this every xmas.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 5:43 pm to LSU CRAZY
If I am going to die for a word, that word is going to be poontang....animal mutha 
Posted on 7/10/08 at 6:02 pm to Tigerdew
the soundtrack during the sniper scene is awesome. the rusty swingset sound is one of my favorite movie music moments. very minimalist but fantastic.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 6:31 pm to LSUlunatic
quote:
3. What was with the crazy marine? What did that have to do with anything? Why was that even a part of the movie?
I think that pretty much says it all. Go rent Transformers.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 6:33 pm to 3lsu3
If you can't laugh at this sequence, i feel sorry for you. I'm laughing at it just reading it.
HARTMAN
Are you shook up? Are you nervous?
COWBOY
Sir, I am, sir!
HARTMAN
Do I make you nervous?
COWBOY
Sir!
HARTMAN
Sir, what? Were you about to
call me an
a-hole?!
COWBOY
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
How tall are you, Private?
COWBOY
Sir,
five foot nine, sir!
HARTMAN
Five foot nine? I didn't
know they stacked shite
that high! You trying to squeeze an inch in
on
me somewhere, huh?
COWBOY
Sir, no, sir.
HARTMAN
bullshite! It looks to me like the best part of
you ran
down the crack of your mama's arse
and ended up as a brown stain on
the
mattress! I think you've been cheated!
HARTMAN
Where in hell are you from anyway, Private?
COWBOY
Sir, Texas, sir!
HARTMAN
Holy dogshit! Texas! Only
steers and queers
come from Texas, Private Cowboy! And you
don't look much like a steer to me, so that
kinda narrows it down!
Do you suck dicks!
COWBOY
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
Are you a peter-puffer?
COWBOY
Sir, no,
sir!
HARTMAN
I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would
frick
a person in the arse and not even have the
goddam common
courtesy to give him a reach-
around! I'll be watching you!
Sergeant HARTMAN walks down the line to another
recruit, a tall,
overtweight boy.
HARTMAN
Did your parents have any
children that lived?
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
I'll bet they regret that! You're so ugly you
could be
a modern art masterpiece! What's
your name, fatbody?
PYLE
Sir, Leonard Lawrence, sir!
HARTMAN
Lawrence?
Lawrence, what, of Arabia?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
That name sounds like royalty! Are you
royalty?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
Do you suck dicks?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! I'll bet you
could suck a golf ball
through a garden hose!
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
I don't like the name Lawrence!
Only ****
and sailors are called Lawrence! From now on
you're Gomer Pyle!
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
PYLE has the
trace of a strange smile on his face.
HARTMAN
Do you
think I'm cute, Private Pyle? Do you
think I'm funny?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
Then wipe that
disgusting grin off your face!
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
Well, any fricking time, sweetheart!
PYLE
Sir, I'm trying, sir.
HARTMAN
Private Pyle, I'm gonna
give you three
seconds--excactly three fricking seconds--to
wipe
that stupid-looking grin off your face, or
I will gouge out your
eyeballs and skull-frick
you! One! Two! Three!
PYLE purses his
lips but continues to smile
involuntarily.
PYLE
Sir,
I can't help it, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! Get on your
knees, scumbag!
PYLE gets down on his FEnees.
HARTMAN
Now choke yourself!
PYLE places his hands around his throat as if to
choke himself.
HARTMAN
Goddamn it, with my hand,
numbnuts!!
PYLE reaches for HARTMAN's hand. HARTMAN jerks
it away.
HARTMAN
Don't pull my fricking hand over there! I said
choke
yourself! Now lean forward and choke
yourself!
PYLE leans forward
so that his neck rests in
HARTMAN's open hand.
HARTMAN chokes PYLE.
PYLE gags and starts to turn red in the face.
HARTMAN
Are you through grinning?
PYLE
(barely able to
speak)
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! I can't
hear you!
PYLE
(gasping)
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! I still can't hear you! Sound offlike
you got
a pair!
PYLE
(gagging)
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
That's enough! Get on your feet!
HARTMAN releases PYLE's
throat. PYLE gets to his feet,
breathing heavily.
HARTMAN
Private Pyle, you had best square your arse
away and start shitting
me Tiffany cuff links
... or I will definitely frick you up!
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
Are you shook up? Are you nervous?
COWBOY
Sir, I am, sir!
HARTMAN
Do I make you nervous?
COWBOY
Sir!
HARTMAN
Sir, what? Were you about to
call me an
a-hole?!
COWBOY
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
How tall are you, Private?
COWBOY
Sir,
five foot nine, sir!
HARTMAN
Five foot nine? I didn't
know they stacked shite
that high! You trying to squeeze an inch in
on
me somewhere, huh?
COWBOY
Sir, no, sir.
HARTMAN
bullshite! It looks to me like the best part of
you ran
down the crack of your mama's arse
and ended up as a brown stain on
the
mattress! I think you've been cheated!
HARTMAN
Where in hell are you from anyway, Private?
COWBOY
Sir, Texas, sir!
HARTMAN
Holy dogshit! Texas! Only
steers and queers
come from Texas, Private Cowboy! And you
don't look much like a steer to me, so that
kinda narrows it down!
Do you suck dicks!
COWBOY
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
Are you a peter-puffer?
COWBOY
Sir, no,
sir!
HARTMAN
I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would
frick
a person in the arse and not even have the
goddam common
courtesy to give him a reach-
around! I'll be watching you!
Sergeant HARTMAN walks down the line to another
recruit, a tall,
overtweight boy.
HARTMAN
Did your parents have any
children that lived?
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
I'll bet they regret that! You're so ugly you
could be
a modern art masterpiece! What's
your name, fatbody?
PYLE
Sir, Leonard Lawrence, sir!
HARTMAN
Lawrence?
Lawrence, what, of Arabia?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
That name sounds like royalty! Are you
royalty?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
Do you suck dicks?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! I'll bet you
could suck a golf ball
through a garden hose!
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
I don't like the name Lawrence!
Only ****
and sailors are called Lawrence! From now on
you're Gomer Pyle!
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
PYLE has the
trace of a strange smile on his face.
HARTMAN
Do you
think I'm cute, Private Pyle? Do you
think I'm funny?
PYLE
Sir, no, sir!
HARTMAN
Then wipe that
disgusting grin off your face!
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
Well, any fricking time, sweetheart!
PYLE
Sir, I'm trying, sir.
HARTMAN
Private Pyle, I'm gonna
give you three
seconds--excactly three fricking seconds--to
wipe
that stupid-looking grin off your face, or
I will gouge out your
eyeballs and skull-frick
you! One! Two! Three!
PYLE purses his
lips but continues to smile
involuntarily.
PYLE
Sir,
I can't help it, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! Get on your
knees, scumbag!
PYLE gets down on his FEnees.
HARTMAN
Now choke yourself!
PYLE places his hands around his throat as if to
choke himself.
HARTMAN
Goddamn it, with my hand,
numbnuts!!
PYLE reaches for HARTMAN's hand. HARTMAN jerks
it away.
HARTMAN
Don't pull my fricking hand over there! I said
choke
yourself! Now lean forward and choke
yourself!
PYLE leans forward
so that his neck rests in
HARTMAN's open hand.
HARTMAN chokes PYLE.
PYLE gags and starts to turn red in the face.
HARTMAN
Are you through grinning?
PYLE
(barely able to
speak)
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! I can't
hear you!
PYLE
(gasping)
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
bullshite! I still can't hear you! Sound offlike
you got
a pair!
PYLE
(gagging)
Sir, yes, sir!
HARTMAN
That's enough! Get on your feet!
HARTMAN releases PYLE's
throat. PYLE gets to his feet,
breathing heavily.
HARTMAN
Private Pyle, you had best square your arse
away and start shitting
me Tiffany cuff links
... or I will definitely frick you up!
PYLE
Sir, yes, sir!
Posted on 7/10/08 at 6:47 pm to LSUlunatic
quote:
When I was watching it I didn't think it portrayed a realistic bootcamp,
I am a USMC Paris Island Grad from 86. 2nd Batallion and FMJ is as real as it gets. Boot camp was just like that. Psychologically it will break you or make you. We had a guy in our platoon exactly like Pyle. Dude did not belong there and eventually dropped. Thank God, because if he was there another week I would died because everytime he screwed up, I got busted for laughing and that was A LOT!
Sempr Fi Devil Dogs!!!
Posted on 7/10/08 at 7:18 pm to LSUlunatic
quote:
lease explain why they needed a crazy marine as a part of the plot.
Dehumanization and man's inhumanity to man are major themes through out Stanley Kubrick's films. Basically this movie is about the dehumanizing effect of war, in this case the Vietnam War. Its not a comedy, though it does have some hysterical lines, particularly the drill SGT in the first part.
Good summary from IMDB, I this quote explains Pyle and the scene in the bathroom.\ pretty well.
quote:
Through Pyle's torment and Joker's unwillingness to stand up against it the climax of part one is achieved with all three main characters deciding their fates by their action or inaction.
LINK
I like FMJ, but Kubrick's Paths of Glory, set in WWI is much better and has the same basic dehumanization and antiwar theme.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 7:21 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
quote:
Oh, that's right, Private Pyle... don't make any fricking effort to get to the top of the fricking obstacle! If God wanted you up there, He would have miracled your arse up there by now, wouldn't He?
quote:
I'll bet you if there was some pussy up there on top of that obstacle you could get up there! Couldn't you?! ... Your arse looks like about a hundred and fifty pounds of chewed bubble gum, Pyle. Do you know that?
quote:
You climb obstacles like old people frick. Do you know that, Private Pyle? Whatever you do, don't fall down! That would break my fricking heart!
Posted on 7/10/08 at 7:35 pm to Buford Tiger
quote:quote:
3. What was with the crazy marine? What did that have to do with anything? Why was that even a part of the movie?
That says it all. Go rent Transformers.
I just didn't understand why they had to incorporate a lunatic soldier in the plot. I didn't think it was historically acurate for something like that to happen. Obviously, I was wrong. And by the way, what does transformers have to do with my previous question?
Posted on 7/10/08 at 7:40 pm to Buford Tiger
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a marine and his rifle. It is your killer instinct which must be harnessed if you expect to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill. You will become dead marines and then you will be in a world of shite because marines are not allowed to die without permission. Do you maggots understand?"
Posted on 7/10/08 at 8:58 pm to LSUlunatic
My wife bought me the book Full Metal Jacket Diary by Matthew Modine.
They actually filmed the second part of that movie first. that is why modine seems so chipper and smiles a lot. But that would soon all end because the director (Kubrick) was a damn perfectionist and the movie would take about 2 1/2 years to film. But Modine wrote in the diary that the boot camp scenes were actual hell. That Lee Ermy was brought in as a technical advisor, but the actor that was playing the DI in the movie kept yelling so much he kept losing his voice. so instead of the actors just sitting around for a day while the guy rested his voice Kubrick told Ermy to go in there and treat them like he would have treated his guys when he was a DI. And in Modine's own words "Ermy went ape shite and started making all this crazy stuff up, but no one laughed, we were a little frightened because we had no idea Stanley sent him in there t do that". So Kubrick liked Ermy so much he hired him and fired the actor, and actually Kubrick allowed Ermy to use some of his own lines.
So when Modine and the rest of those actors looked like they were just worn down at the end of the boot camp segment. they were, they had been shooting this movie for 2/12 years.
Oh yeah Ermy never got the idea of acting like he was hitting Modine (when he nicknamed him joker in the opening sequence he slapped him) he thought we was really supposed to hit him, so he did and that is the scene that is in the movie. notice how pissed Modine gets when he gets hit.
He also slapped the shite out of the actor playing Pyle when he got right and left confused.
And Modine and the actor playing pyle disliked each other so much that in the soap party scene. modine was only supposed to hit him twice, but him more because he was pissed at him.
If anyone ever gets the chance to buy this book It is a great read. But I guess you have to like the movie.
Oh and the book has a full metal jacket
They actually filmed the second part of that movie first. that is why modine seems so chipper and smiles a lot. But that would soon all end because the director (Kubrick) was a damn perfectionist and the movie would take about 2 1/2 years to film. But Modine wrote in the diary that the boot camp scenes were actual hell. That Lee Ermy was brought in as a technical advisor, but the actor that was playing the DI in the movie kept yelling so much he kept losing his voice. so instead of the actors just sitting around for a day while the guy rested his voice Kubrick told Ermy to go in there and treat them like he would have treated his guys when he was a DI. And in Modine's own words "Ermy went ape shite and started making all this crazy stuff up, but no one laughed, we were a little frightened because we had no idea Stanley sent him in there t do that". So Kubrick liked Ermy so much he hired him and fired the actor, and actually Kubrick allowed Ermy to use some of his own lines.
So when Modine and the rest of those actors looked like they were just worn down at the end of the boot camp segment. they were, they had been shooting this movie for 2/12 years.
Oh yeah Ermy never got the idea of acting like he was hitting Modine (when he nicknamed him joker in the opening sequence he slapped him) he thought we was really supposed to hit him, so he did and that is the scene that is in the movie. notice how pissed Modine gets when he gets hit.
He also slapped the shite out of the actor playing Pyle when he got right and left confused.
And Modine and the actor playing pyle disliked each other so much that in the soap party scene. modine was only supposed to hit him twice, but him more because he was pissed at him.
If anyone ever gets the chance to buy this book It is a great read. But I guess you have to like the movie.
Oh and the book has a full metal jacket
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:11 pm to bknight00
quote:
the actor playing Pyle
Vincent D'onofrio. He is in all kinds of movies. He is the main guy in the shittiest Law and Order franchise, can't remember the name.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:13 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
quote:
Vincent D'onofrio. He is in all kinds of movies. He is the main guy in the shittiest Law and Order franchise, can't remember the name.
Wasn't a big fan of his character on Law and Order, but he was great in a few movies including FMJ.
And that's interesting about the animosity between him and Mathew Modine. I never heard that before, definitely need to check out that book.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:18 pm to Murtagh
The sniper scene is one of the greatest of all time.
That part alone makes the movie incredible
That part alone makes the movie incredible
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:23 pm to Chunkylover53
quote:
Wasn't a big fan of his character on Law and Order
agreed what the hell was he supposed to be.
a dectective, a psychologists, rainman
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:54 pm to Michael J Cocks
"And that's interesting about the animosity between him and Mathew Modine. I never heard that before, definitely need to check out that book."
It was Modine who suggested to Kubrick that he hire Vince. Kubrick wanted a kind of dumb oklahoma farmer type for the role, but Modine had enough clout with Kubrick that he got one of his buddies on to play the role of Pyle. But while in between scenes, Modine had a sarcastic comment for another actor when Vince told him he was acting like pussy or something and that he needed to get off the guys back, Modine was pissed and just quit talking to the guy because he felt he was betrayed. i mean he got this no name guy a great movie role and this is how he was going to be. So they did not talk for a while and they had a huge falling out. they refused to even speak off camera. But eventually both of them said "what the hell are we doing we are friends and we can't even remember what we were pissed about". SO modine says they remain friends to this day.
Some of the best stuff is when he talks about Ermy. He said he called Lee to congratulate him on the popularity of his cable show Mail Call. when Modine says " i hear they made a doll that looks like you, and Ermy says It anit no doll it's an action figure dammit.
It was Modine who suggested to Kubrick that he hire Vince. Kubrick wanted a kind of dumb oklahoma farmer type for the role, but Modine had enough clout with Kubrick that he got one of his buddies on to play the role of Pyle. But while in between scenes, Modine had a sarcastic comment for another actor when Vince told him he was acting like pussy or something and that he needed to get off the guys back, Modine was pissed and just quit talking to the guy because he felt he was betrayed. i mean he got this no name guy a great movie role and this is how he was going to be. So they did not talk for a while and they had a huge falling out. they refused to even speak off camera. But eventually both of them said "what the hell are we doing we are friends and we can't even remember what we were pissed about". SO modine says they remain friends to this day.
Some of the best stuff is when he talks about Ermy. He said he called Lee to congratulate him on the popularity of his cable show Mail Call. when Modine says " i hear they made a doll that looks like you, and Ermy says It anit no doll it's an action figure dammit.
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