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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:49 am to Triple Bogey
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This guy rips Wade Robson apart.
Is there a twitter thread bashing the other 4 boys who accused MJ?
We'll just assume Wade is trying to get money. He and Mike slept in the same bed over 100x but that was completely innocent and as natural as any other young boy who would sleep with a grown man.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:59 am to Rou Leed
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It doesnt seem right that someone could make a movie detailing alleged crimes that were never prosecuted or formally charged.
What doesn't seem right about that?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:07 pm to MidnightVibe
I'm gonna try and watch this with an open mind. I've always thought the whole neverland setup was incomparably odd, but I've never been convinced MJ was actually molesting kids.
Honestly, if you were gonna molest kids, you would think you would be a bit more discreet about it. Like perhaps do it with a major college football program as the front or something .
Honestly, if you were gonna molest kids, you would think you would be a bit more discreet about it. Like perhaps do it with a major college football program as the front or something .
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:12 pm to skullhawk
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Is there a twitter thread bashing the other 4 boys who accused MJ?
I completely agree. After watching the doc, I definitely believe the victims, but having said that.. I don't understand why (and yes, I know most of you will say he brainwashed them) when you have a chance to bring MJ to justice, you instead take his side and testify on his behalf that he would never molest children. Even after you are an adult. I can understand being a kid and being afraid, but Wade was 22 and defended him under oath. This whole thing just seems very opportunistic and trying to get money/fame off of a dead guy who can't defend himself.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:33 pm to skullhawk
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We'll just assume Wade is trying to get money. He and Mike slept in the same bed over 100x but that was completely innocent and as natural as any other young boy who would sleep with a grown man.
Looks to me like there are many very legitimate reasons to question Robson's credibility.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:41 pm to Triple Bogey
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I can understand being a kid and being afraid, but Wade was 22 and defended him under oath. This whole thing just seems very opportunistic and trying to get money/fame off of a dead guy who can't defend himself.
These sorts of things happen.
Think of domestic abuse victims that lie under oath.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:45 pm to MidnightVibe
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I'm gonna try and watch this with an open mind. I've always thought the whole neverland setup was incomparably odd, but I've never been convinced MJ was actually molesting kids.
Check back in after you watch.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 12:51 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Check back in after you watch.
Yep, watched and saw two sets of parents who literally didn't have a clue or question it the entire time it was happening.
Even if you are star struck, how does a mother not get the truth out of their child under the circumstances?
Sorry but its still hard to believe a kid could keep something like that a secret from their parents.
Unless we're saying the parents knew the entire time and allowed it.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:09 pm to Triple Bogey
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I can understand being a kid and being afraid, but Wade was 22 and defended him under oath. This whole thing just seems very opportunistic and trying to get money/fame off of a dead guy who can't defend himself.
Since I was never molested, this makes sense. However, if you watched the Oprah follow-up show, she (and a psychiatrist) addresses this. The idea that we call it sexual abuse does a disservices to the issue. "Abuse" implies violence, or forced acts. And that is what makes molestation such a friggin terrible thing. A 7 yo doesn't understand that he/she is being groomed. To the victim, it doesn't seem to be abuse. It seems normal. A 7 yo brain is incapable of understanding that MJ touching your privates is bad. I realize this is counterintuitive, but if you take Oprah's point and watch the documentary in that context, Wade's and Safechuck's description of events make a lot more sense. And pay close attention to Safechuck...that dude is so emotionally screwed up because of what happened, it is painful to watch. Sorry, but there is no way to "act" that.
While there will never be video tape evidence of MJ molesting a kid, I find it hard to believe that any one would say didn't do it. Muddy Wade's reputation all you want, but it doesn't change the grooming fact patterns that are almost identical in the 4 alleged cases. It doesn't change the fact patterns of the maid's testimony, or the pornography that was found depicting animals and kids. And these are just a fraction of the data points that point to MJs guilt.
And the most damning fact pattern of all...every single accuser is decried as a money-grubbing gold digger. Remember, Michael Jackson had money to protect as well...just like his estate does.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:15 pm to STLhog
quote:You know this is a common occurrence with children who have been molested? Think of all the kids molested by priests who didn't come forward until many, many years later.
The dude purjered himself at 23. He had his chance.
quote:You think they should get nothing at all for what happened to them? Not even payment for therapy?
but them appealing refutes the notion that they have no monetary skin in this game.
quote:That was explained and explained well.
If he was serious about creating awareness around it, he would have stood up when MJ was alive.
quote:So they should have just kept their mouths shut?
The more and more I think about it, the worse it looks for both of them.
quote:No idea why his former girlfriend is relevant since he's been married for years. Does his changing story create credibility concerns? Yes. But when you listen to the stories of both men and the previous allegations that took place, it's enough to logically (and scientifically) understand their position and why they came forward when they did: after becoming parents and unable to cope with major mental issues that they're obviously still dealing with.
Wade Robson dated Brittany Spears, he's always been a primadonna fame chaser and his varying story takes away his credibility.
quote:He was the one burning everything related to michael at the end of the film. He even had the original thriller jacket... burned. If he wanted more money, he could have sold it. Wade sold his stuff long ago.
Still bizarre he's 40 and has kept the jewelry.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:18 pm to STLhog
quote:They don't want to believe their son was abused by someone they trusted? Also, kids get away with lying to their parents all the time. They trusted the kids.
Even if you are star struck, how does a mother not get the truth out of their child under the circumstances?
quote:You act like this is the singular example of this happening. It happens everywhere. Have you seen abducted in plain sight? That ones even worse.
Sorry but its still hard to believe a kid could keep something like that a secret from their parents.
quote:No.
Unless we're saying the parents knew the entire time and allowed it.
The parents absolutely hold some blame. They were blinded by fame and feeling special.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:24 pm to ell_13
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You think they should get nothing at all for what happened to them? Not even payment for therapy?
No, I'm talking about the counter point that they have "no monetary" gain from their accusation.
And all your points are fair, just trying to look at all sides to this.
Hard to fathom him getting away with it for that long. I'm sorry, it's just really hard to believe but then gain, the church has for centuries so yea.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:27 pm to STLhog
quote:If every abuse case was thrown out because someone was looking for some type of monetary pay out, then you'd have thousands of more abusers free and even more victims needing help with no place to turn.
the counter point that they have "no monetary" gain from their accusation.
ETA: And the director has said they weren't paid for the film.
quote:Many abusers do. Again, this isn't unique to MJ or the Church.
Hard to fathom him getting away with it for that long.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:32 pm to ell_13
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You know this is a common occurrence with children who have been molested? Think of all the kids molested by priests who didn't come forward until many, many years later.
Nah, that doesn't work here. This wasn't about keeping something to themselves. They literally testified that this didn't happen and kept the same story into their late 20s, even after MJ had been dead for several years.
This is fishy.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:34 pm to MidnightVibe
And why hasn't Robson been charged with perjury?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:36 pm to MidnightVibe
quote:That's exactly what it was and, again, isn't uncommon for children of abuse. They're either embarrassed or to fricked up to realize that what happened was "bad" even when asked. Victims protecting their abusers isn't a new phenomenon people.
Nah, that doesn't work here. This wasn't about keeping something to themselves.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:41 pm to ell_13
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That's exactly what it was and, again, isn't uncommon for children of abuse. They're either embarrassed or to fricked up to realize that what happened was "bad" even when asked. Victims protecting their abusers isn't a new phenomenon people
Till they are 31 and their abuser has been dead for years? And they finally remember when they are 32, and promptly sue the estate? Both of them at the same time?
That makes sense to you?
Sorry, not buying that angle.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 1:46 pm to MidnightVibe
quote:Yes.
Till they are 31 and their abuser has been dead for years?
quote:No. Typically one accuser gives others the fortitude to come forward. Again. This is normal behavior.
And they finally remember when they are 32, and promptly sue the estate? Both of them at the same time?
quote:Me and every psychologist, yeah.
That makes sense to you?
quote:Then you believe the pedophile.
Sorry, not buying that angle.
Posted on 3/6/19 at 2:06 pm to MidnightVibe
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Nah, that doesn't work here. This wasn't about keeping something to themselves. They literally testified that this didn't happen and kept the same story into their late 20s, even after MJ had been dead for several years.
This is fishy.
Did you watch it yet?
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