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Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:14 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:14 pm to
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This is what I think. I have read a lot of plausible theories. And the following is what I conclude:

1. In 2007 in the original timeline, some disaster (maybe the H-Bomb/Jughead detonation) destroyed the island and possibly led to the end of the world. I say this because we saw the island under water I think in the Kate centric episode. (please correct me if that's not right)

2. I believe Richard Alpert is a descendant of the original Black Rock crew and understands that something happened related to the Black Rock that made the island accessible. One theory by Jason Hunter is that the Black Rock was a slave ship carrying magnetic ore, ventured near the island by accident and the magnetic properties of the island pulled the Black Rock all the way inland and tore a hole/opening in the magnetic field that surrounds/protects the island. The first mate's log would likely have the ship's heading which is probably coordinate 305 degrees which Daniel's team used to get to the island. Timeloop Theory

3. Richard aware of the impending disaster uses the Dharma time machine to go back to 1900 to become a member of the Black Rock crew to try and prevent the Black Rock from getting near the island. Possibly Richard tried to persuade the captain unsuccessfully to change course and was thrown in the brig for his trouble.

4. Because of his future knowledge, Richard became the logical leader of the Others (also Black Rock descendants) and protector of the island.

5. The same theory suggests that through various experiments the Dharma folks determine that fate (the original timeline) tends to correct itself preventing destiny from being altered. Example: Richard was unable to prevent the Black Rock from coming to the island, polar bears are sent back in time and are able to survive in the jungle because they can't die until they catch up with the time at which point they were sent back, etc. As a result a Time-loop is created by linking the Donkey Wheel under the Orchid Station to the 108 minute reset station in the Swan. In other words, every 108 minutes the island goes back in time to prevent the impending disaster in 2007. The time-loop was essentially delaying destiny indefinitely until Desmond failed to enter the key code forcing him to use the fail-safe key.

The problem I have with all this is: where does Jacob and MIB fit into the scheme of things? Jacob seems to be the one bringing candidates to the island and if this is the case why would he bring the Black Rock and create an access/opening to the island that would eventually lead to it's destruction if Jacob is the protector of the island?

Of course if the tear in the magnetic field was an accident that Jacob could not prevent, maybe he has since used the opening to bring candidates/heroes to the island who can redeem themselves by rising to the occasion to save the world. Maybe the world has already been saved through the incident when Juliet detonated the detonator. The question is will a course correction by fate possibly instigated by MIB's team somehow negate the effects of the incident and prevent that altered timeline from becoming everlasting leading to the end of the world in spite of all efforts to prevent it.

Anyway, if any of you have already read or want to take time to read the linked time-loop theory I would be interested in your take. There is a separate link here: TimeLine for a corresponding LOST time-line map that describes each time-line as an iteration of time each from the perspective of the individual who goes back in time.


This is a really cool theory, but it is way, way too complex, even by LOST standards. The average viewer would not remotely understand it, and I myself am having a hard time following this chart:


I don't think all encompassing theories like these are correct. They are always too complex, and people who aren't LOST junkies will hate it. Plus I don't get what Ben has to do in this chart.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 9:17 pm
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Member since Dec 2009
286 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:23 pm to
what does MIB mean? and what about the smoke monster whole in the timeline theory Davesdawgs?
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:25 pm to
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I don't think all encompassing theories like these are correct. They are always too complex, and people who aren't LOST junkies will hate it. Plus I don't get Ben what Ben has to do in this chart.


It's a lot to bite off and chew for sure. The key element in Jason's scheme is individual time travel using a time machine created by Dharma. We all saw the mini-machine down below the Orchid Station (where Ben stuffed a bunch of metal objects in the machine and blew a hole that gave him access to the donkey wheel down below). While Ben was doing this he gave John a Dharma tape to watch that described some of the time experiments so Jason's theory is at least plausible.

I think what he is saying regarding Ben's role in the timeline is that Ben and the Other's killed the Dharma folks so that the Others could take control of the Dharma stations and create the time-loop by linking the Swan computer station with the Orchid/donkey wheel station, thus the reset of the island back in time every 108 minutes to prevent the impending disaster. We should get some answers in the Ben-centric episode tomorrow night.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 9:49 pm
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Member since Dec 2009
286 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:29 pm to
hello?????????
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:31 pm to
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what does MIB mean? and what about the smoke monster whole in the timeline theory Davesdawgs?


MIB = Man In Black = The Smoke Monster = Flocke, the fake Locke
The MIB was dressed in black and appeared with Jacob in a key flashback scene together where presumedly the Black Rock ship was off in the distance and Jacob said "they are on their way." Then MIB said that it always turns out the same and Jacob said it only ends once and anything else is progress. Then MIB also asked Jacob if he knew how badly he wanted to kill Jacob. This key scene leads viewers to believe that LOST boils down to a life/death struggle/game between light/dark, good/evil.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 9:40 pm
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Member since Dec 2009
286 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:36 pm to
ok, im slow but i know my LOST ive just never heard the MIB term before. i havent really read online untill today but i watch episodes religiously. i knew who yal were referring to i just didnt know what it ment.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 9:38 pm
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Member since Dec 2009
286 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:48 pm to
well... i guess this threads dead. good run ole buddy.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:49 pm to
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well... i guess this threads dead. good run ole buddy.




You couldn't be more wrong.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:50 pm to
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well... i guess this threads dead. good run ole buddy.


It's not dead hehee. Extreme new life will be breathed into it tomorrow night LOST time...
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Member since Dec 2009
286 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:51 pm to
cant wait. how many episodes till Richards explanation?
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:53 pm to
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well... i guess this threads dead.




12 pages the night before the episode is aired.
Posted by SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Member since Dec 2009
286 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 9:58 pm to
i got it. Richards episode is in two weeks! first post. im tying off and getting the ole arm vein ready now! its called LOST/CRACK its great!
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 10:00 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46751 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:15 pm to
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cant wait. how many episodes till Richards explanation?



The Richard-centric episode is #9.
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 10:16 pm
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62210 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:16 pm to
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i used to have some messed up stories when i was a kid and playing with action figures.



"and then a big brown shark came"
Posted by Doc Lou
Member since Sep 2008
283 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:18 pm to
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dude, you cant be posting that, I have to sleep at some point


Guess we're almost even since your creepy arse avatar keeps me awake at night.
Posted by GeauxElliott
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2007
3731 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:41 pm to
Riddle me this...

When Kate saw Claire in Aaron's room and Claire told her.. " Don't you dare bring him back!"

Who was making her see that? Was It MIB since Claire had joined him before Kate left the island?

Why would MIB be scared of Aaron?

Also, I've seen lots of speculation on how the Black Rock got so far inland.. but no one has ever stated the obvious.

What if someone moved the island and it popped up underneath the Black Rock.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:49 pm to
quote:

When Kate saw Claire in Aaron's room and Claire told her.. " Don't you dare bring him back!"

Who was making her see that? Was It MIB since Claire had joined him before Kate left the island?

Why would MIB be scared of Aaron?


My guess is it was MIB that created the vision of Claire that Kate saw. He probably fears that Jacob will use Aaron as member of Jacob's team and he may perceive that Aaron is "special" perhaps like Walt, Hurley, Locke, etc.
quote:

Also, I've seen lots of speculation on how the Black Rock got so far inland.. but no one has ever stated the obvious.

What if someone moved the island and it popped up underneath the Black Rock.



I had the same thought and it is the simplest explanation at least in terms of what we know about the properties of the island. :)
This post was edited on 3/8/10 at 10:50 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:52 pm to
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My guess is it was MIB that created the vision of Claire that Kate saw. He probably fears that Jacob will use Aaron as member of Jacob's team and he may perceive that Aaron is "special" perhaps like Walt, Hurley, Locke, etc.



While Locke is indeed a candidate, I don't think that Locke was ever special. Its really tragic that I don't think it was and was just a gigantic life long con the Monster put Locke through.
Posted by Muppet
Member since Aug 2007
50512 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:52 pm to
I thought that too at first, but the ship was clearly in close enough proximity to the island that it would have moved with it... as evidenced by faraday's raft shifting with the island because it was within a certain radius
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 3/8/10 at 10:55 pm to
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Also, I've seen lots of speculation on how the Black Rock got so far inland.. but no one has ever stated the obvious.

What if someone moved the island and it popped up underneath the Black Rock.



I came across a spoiler in season 5 that the writers rented a wooden ship, and this was early in the season (I'm guessing they just got filming the ship off shore out of the way). My prediction that the season would start with this. I was very disappointed by the beginning because that would have been awesome.
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