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re: LOST "Dr. Linus" S6.E7
Posted on 3/10/10 at 12:48 pm to BhamTigah
Posted on 3/10/10 at 12:48 pm to BhamTigah
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Widmore told Locke that a war was coming to the island and that if Locke wasn't there, the wrong side would win. Do you guys think Widmore knew MIB needed Locke and that MIB is the "right" side; or do you think that Widmore was referencing that Locke will eventually be important to Jacob's side winning?
I think he's sided with MIB, and he was indeed correct that if Locke didn't return to the Island the other side would win (and wrong from his perspective). Keep in mind that the secondary mission of the freighter folk was to torch the Island, to where he obviously wants the Others destroyed.
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Posted on 3/10/10 at 12:51 pm to Decatur
I'm thinking that Ben killing Locke once already is going to play a major factor in the series...especially if Ben becomes the new Jacob. The rules MIGHT not apply then considering Ben has already killed "Locke" once.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 12:56 pm to Uncle Stu
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One who doesnt scour the net for every last little theory and try to merge them all together so that they all make sense. Watch the damn show and come up with your own opinion. Dont drag the rest down because you're too stupid to follow the story. For frick's sake, you proposed aliens- fricking aliens
Seriously, all encompassing theories are far, far too complex for the overall show. There doesn't need to be one since in all likelihood all but the most hardcore fanboys will hate it (much like Matrix Revolutions).
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:00 pm to Antonio Moss
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Second, Roger Linus confirmed the existence of the Dharma Initiative in the alternate reality. But he also said that he and Ben left the island together, which means that the hydrogen bomb didn't cause the split (Ben was already with Richard at that point).
Yeah it did. This has been confirmed. Ben could have survived Jughead, gotten back to the Barracks, and then they could have left the Island because a fricking hydrogen bomb went off a few miles away.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:01 pm to Decatur
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Only because he had been shot by Sayid. Sayid would not have been there in the alt timeline.
Sayid shot Ben in the original timeline too. Faraday's mother killing him proved this.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:03 pm to OMLandshark
Anybody think that Widmore and the Monster in the alt timeline sank the Island, since Ben wasn't there to stop him and take over? If this is the case, it wouldn't surprise me if the alt timeline ended in basically an apocalypse from the Monster interfering with the outside world, because he could have made Widmore kill Jacob in the alt. timeline.
This post was edited on 3/10/10 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:08 pm to OMLandshark
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Sayid shot Ben in the original timeline too.
That's what I was saying...that's why Ben was with Richard in the original timeline. However, Sayid was not in the alternate timeline, thus, he would never had shot Ben and Ben would have never gone to the temple with Richard.
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Faraday's mother killing him proved this.
Explain
This post was edited on 3/10/10 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:12 pm to OMLandshark
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he also said that he and Ben left the island together, which means that the hydrogen bomb didn't cause the split
quote:Where has it been confirmed? I must have missed this?
Yeah it did. This has been confirmed.
Doc Jensen also thinks that this is an important point on his EW.com recap:
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Until last night, it had been safe to assume that both the Island and Sideways worlds shared the same history until 1977, which is when the time-traveling castaways detonated Jughead. But the Linus men of the Sideways world blew up that thinking. I took the story to mean that Sideways Roger and Ben left the Island prior to its sinking. But Island Roger and Ben were still on the Island when Juliet banged the bomb. Implication: If the two worlds share a common history, the fork in the road is sometime before 1977.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:13 pm to Decatur
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That's what I was saying...that's why Ben was with Richard in the original timeline. However, Sayid was not in the alternate timeline, thus, he would never had shot Ben and Ben would have never gone to the temple with Richard.
How was Sayid not in the alternate timeline? Pre-1977 onward they are the same. Sayid shot Ben in both timelines.
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Explain
Its obvious that Faraday's mother knew all along that she would eventually kill her son on the Island.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:19 pm to OMLandshark
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Ben could have survived Jughead, gotten back to the Barracks, and then they could have left the Island because a fricking hydrogen bomb went off a few miles away.
It didn't sound as though they knew a hydrogen bomb went off, since they were saying how awesome Ben's life may have been if they had remained on the island.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 1:31 pm to TigerInBamaLand
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If the two worlds share a common history, the fork in the road is sometime before 1977.
I agree with this. The alternate timeline is devoid of the Losties ever making it to the island. If they didn't make it to the island on Flight 815, they were never on the island to do anything, either in the 50s, 70s or 2004-2007. No Charlie to neutralize the jammer, no freighter, no Faraday to go back in time and get killed by his mother.
At least this is my impression.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:04 pm to Decatur
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It didn't sound as though they knew a hydrogen bomb went off, since they were saying how awesome Ben's life may have been if they had remained on the island.
quote:This is sorta what I'm thinking, but remember that if the split is the bomb (which, right now, there's nothing much to disprove this) then BOTH timelines have the same pre-detonation pasts.
I agree with this. The alternate timeline is devoid of the Losties ever making it to the island. If they didn't make it to the island on Flight 815, they were never on the island to do anything, either in the 50s, 70s or 2004-2007. No Charlie to neutralize the jammer, no freighter, no Faraday to go back in time and get killed by his mother.
Yes, in the alternate timeline Sayid never crashes on the original plane and therefore doesn't go back to 1977 on the Ajira flight and shoot kid Ben. But the split only exists at the moment of detonation onward. For example, theoretically the first 21 years of Locke's life (born in 1956) should be the same in both timelines. After that, the timelines are less similar.
So OML is technically right when he says Sayid shot Ben in both timelines because they were actually the SAME timeline at that point before the bomb.
That said, I don't know how yet to explain the Ben/Roger exchange in last night's episode unless, somehow, Richard's "he won't remember any of this and his innocence will be gone" remark applies, and Roger thought he'd spare his 13-year-old kid the ordeal of a near-death experience he doesn't remember. Again though, you wouldn't think Roger would be so favorably nostalgic about a place where an H-bomb went off.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:19 pm to davesdawgs
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I never used the word "aliens"
Your words:
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the Egyptians did not have the technology/know-how to build the pyramids hypothesizing that there might have been extraterrestial influence
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you are a bitter a-hole
no doubt
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seeks status through an internet message board.
Nope, but I will call out a fricking ruh-tard every time I see one. Here, at the office, at home or on the internet.
When the frick are you going to get off this stupid Wallace bandwagon? Guess what, if they wanted it to refer to Desmond - THE frickING DIAL WOULD HAVE SAID HUME. Or, if it was Widmore - HIS LAST NAME WOULD BE WALLACE AND NOT WIDMORE. How difficult is it for you to grasp the basic concept that that whole scene was for Jack??
"....oh shite, uh....Wallace is legenday Scottish hero from hundreds of years ago.....and....uhh......Desmond is Scottish......uhhh.......Holy shite!!! I figured it out"
"....no, no....wait - Widmore starts with a "W" and....OMG......so does Wallace!!! That's it!!!! Call off the aliens, I've got this shite!!"
your theories pretty much suck, and the ones you re-post here are even worse
You have yet to find a theory that you didn't like
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:30 pm to Uncle Stu
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Your words:
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the Egyptians did not have the technology/know-how to build the pyramids hypothesizing that there might have been extraterrestial influence
But what are God/angels if not extraterrestial? It seems the difference is largely semantical. Now, God/angels may not make a direct appearance on Lost, but I believe their existence can be inferred. Otherwise, who else exiled Jacob and MIB to the island and gave them their powers? They remind me of Promethus and Atlas and other Greek Gods/Titans/demigods who were cast out of Olympia(Heaven) and made to repeat the same thing over and over again for all eternity.
I'm really interested to see if there is some higher power manipulating Jacob/MIB like they are manipulating our Lost guys. And I desperately want it to be Gary Coleman.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:36 pm to Hot Carl
I think the writers have either directly stated or implied that there is a higher power than Jacob. As to what it is I don't think anyone can say at this point.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:36 pm to Uncle Stu
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"....oh shite, uh....Wallace is legenday Scottish hero from hundreds of years ago.....and....uhh......Desmond is Scottish......uhhh.......Holy shite!!! I figured it out"
Not gonna lie, after watching the pilot I too thought that there were a lot of similarities to both Braveheart and Fire in the Sky.
This post was edited on 3/10/10 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:41 pm to Decatur
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directly stated or implied that there is a higher power than Jacob
The guy who plays Jacob stated this....
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:55 pm to Hot Carl
Thinking about the whole Jacob/Esau Jewish/Christian mythology, I was curious what the religious background of Cuse and Lindolf was(sorry, if you call them "Darlton" you are a flaming cock gobbler). Anyway, not much interesting there, but saw that they were both fans of Stephen King's The Stand. This doesn't add to any theory, but I thought a lot of things I read were interesting(I haven't read the book in 15+years).
I think it's clear that MIB has some of the characteristics of Randall Flagg who is pretty much evil incarnate, though not really Satan.
similar to the things FLocke told Sawyer and Richard
"infected"
All this was from wikipedia. Not sure it provides any insight into what may happen on Lost, but it does provide insight on what works influence the writers.
I think it's clear that MIB has some of the characteristics of Randall Flagg who is pretty much evil incarnate, though not really Satan.
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Flagg can appear differently to each individual — but that his message is always the same: "I know all the things that you want and I can give them to you and all you have to do is give me your soul."
similar to the things FLocke told Sawyer and Richard
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he is also described as a "sickness" that always seems to reappear whenever there is something worth destroying
"infected"
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Before Flagg can kill them, one of his most loyal and devoted followers, the Trashcan Man, arrives with a nuclear warhead. "The Hand of God" appears and reaches down, just as the Trashcan Man stops, and detonates the bomb, destroying Flagg's followers
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Flagg's appearance shifts between human, demon, and various animals, and it is implied that he has lived many lives in many times
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Flagg, in a new incarnation, wakes in an unknown tropical location, where he meets a primitive tribe, telling them that he has come to teach them civilization and identifying himself as Russell Faraday.
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Flagg is characterized as the personification of evil set against Mother Abagail, the personification of good
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Mother Abagail, is a character from Stephen King's novel The Stand. She is the personification of good, the leader of the 'good' survivors of the Captain Trips plague, and a prophet of God.
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When the novel opens, she is 108 years old
All this was from wikipedia. Not sure it provides any insight into what may happen on Lost, but it does provide insight on what works influence the writers.
Posted on 3/10/10 at 2:59 pm to Decatur
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I think the writers have either directly stated or implied that there is a higher power than Jacob
there would pretty much have to be. And in a world with alternate time lines, time travel, smoke-monsters, magic islands, shape-shifting, reincarnation, resurrection, etc...are aliens really any more far-fetched than the Judeo/Christian interpretation of "God."
Posted on 3/10/10 at 3:06 pm to Hot Carl
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But what are God/angels if not extraterrestial? It seems the difference is largely semantical.
Tell you what arse-for-brains, when I say extraterrestrials built the pyramids, do you think the hand of Zeus and Ra reaching from the clouds playing Lego's in a Monty Python sketch, or:
The mouthbreather is talking about space aliens, and we all know what he meant. Stop taking up for him you pile of shite
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They remind me of Promethus and Atlas and other Greek Gods/Titans/demigods who were cast out of Olympia(Heaven) and made to repeat the same thing over and over again for all eternity.
100% agree, and I've stated on this board before that I think the writers are taking an amalgamation of Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and Christian mythologies to create a basic framework for LOST.
What I dont think: Stargate: Hawaiian Vacation
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