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re: LOST "Dr. Linus" S6.E7
Posted on 3/11/10 at 10:51 am to SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
Posted on 3/11/10 at 10:51 am to SaintsRbettrthanlsu1
quote:Mortimer Duke finally wins his $1
what do YOU think the end result will be?
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Posted on 3/11/10 at 10:53 am to OMLandshark
quote:But does it still hold true? That would mean that an atomic bomb ALWAYS went off (or it never did).
Whatever Happened, Happened is the main time travel rule in LOST
If it always happened the same ... why did it ever split? The "rules" may have changed.
I'm casting my vote for the split happening before 1977.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:06 am to TigerInBamaLand
quote:
But does it still hold true? That would mean that an atomic bomb ALWAYS went off (or it never did).
If it always happened the same ... why did it ever split? The "rules" may have changed.
I'm casting my vote for the split happening before 1977.
The Enhanced Episodes confirmed it, and the creators have said so. Yall are overthinking this. The writers have been telling us what to consider, and if the bomb is the thing that reset the timeline isn't one of them.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:07 am to Dave Worth
quote:
They were jumping through time for awhile, interacting with the island and the Others. In the 50s Farraday told them to bury the bomb that was leaking radiation. Without the plane crash, the Losties never travel back to 1950s. The bomb could have caused something that leads to the split. Probably not the cause of the split, but an example that their impact goes back farther than 1977.
Again, yall are incorporating time travel rules from other universes in your thinking. You can not do this. "Whatever Happened, Happened".
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:11 am to OMLandshark
quote:
You can not do this. "Whatever Happened, Happened".
You sound like MIB. Maybe you are now infected with the darkness. I don't know if I trust you anymore.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:40 am to OMLandshark
quote:
You can not do this. "Whatever Happened, Happened".
I disagree with this. This theory was only applied to the lives of the survivors that were in the 50s/70s. Whatever happened in the 50s/70s in the alternate timeline is not the same as whatever happened in the original one. The survivors never crashed. Sawyer never shot Ben, so he stayed in the Dharma, eventually chosing to leave with Roger as we saw this week. It was pretty clear to me that they chose to leave. In the alternate timeline, everyone has free will. The split had to come before the 50s.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:46 am to AstroTiger
Are you all really arguing with the Enhanced Episodes and Darlton?
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:49 am to OMLandshark
umm I guess 
when did they say otherwise?
when did they say otherwise?
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:56 am to OMLandshark
quote:
The writers have been telling us what to consider, and if the bomb is the thing that reset the timeline isn't one of them.
OML, please reword/explain this; the sentence structure seems a bit confusing. Thanks.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 11:58 am to OMLandshark
quote:
Are you all really arguing with the Enhanced Episodes and Darlton?
What did it say specifically? I might have missed it.
This post was edited on 3/11/10 at 11:59 am
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:08 pm to AstroTiger
quote:
umm I guess when did they say otherwise?
The Enhanced Episodes have stated that Jughead split the timeline.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:09 pm to davesdawgs
quote:
OML, please reword/explain this; the sentence structure seems a bit confusing. Thanks.
Sorry, but they have been telling us things that we should be questioning, like the relationship between the cave and the lighthouse, and how the 2 timelines directly affect one another, not "Did Jughead split the timeline".
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:13 pm to AstroTiger
Guys, I think OML is probably right in that in spite of the complexity of time travel possibilities, the writers are obviously trying to keep it simple so that most LOST fans can grasp what has happened and better appreciate the impact of the finale. A good example is probably Richard's agelessness. Theories suggesting that Richard traveled back in time and would not age until he reached the time when he went back were completely logical/reasonable but the writers chose to keep it simple by stating that Richard's agelessness was a gift from Jacob. Given how the writers handled that question about Richard you have to believe that the other questions will also be answered as simply as possible. We are on the home stretch now and there won't be time for more complexity/dilemmas although I would not be surprised to see a few more flashbacks/flashforwards to explain a few unanswered questions.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:14 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
The Enhanced Episodes have stated that Jughead split the timeline
really? I definitely missed that
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:17 pm to davesdawgs
quote:
the other questions will also be answered as simply as possible
I agree with this completely. It's way too late in the game to have time loops or anything as detailed as what some have come up with
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:26 pm to AstroTiger
A lot of you guys are overthinking the paradox problem. There are two branches to the split. The 815 survivors still crash in one of the branches and still go back to 1977. The argument that since the bomb went off, there will be no crash only applies to one branch.
I still don't see how it is possible for the bomb to cause the split unless Ben and Roger's scene was just royally screwed up. What makes the most sense is that there are simply two timelines running parallel to one another with no split.
I still don't see how it is possible for the bomb to cause the split unless Ben and Roger's scene was just royally screwed up. What makes the most sense is that there are simply two timelines running parallel to one another with no split.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:27 pm to davesdawgs
quote:Forgive me ... but there was absolutely nothing logical or reasonable about those theories.
Theories suggesting that Richard traveled back in time and would not age until he reached the time when he went back were completely logical/reasonable
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:31 pm to AstroTiger
quote:
It's way too late in the game to have time loops or anything as detailed as what some have come up with
I still think that Hurley's comments foreshadow another time jump:
HURLEY: Wait a sec. What if we time-travelled again? To, like, dinosaur times? And then we died and then we got buried here? [pause] What if these skeletons are us?
If the skeletons really are the Losties (no, I do not think they are the Rose and Bernard that possibly stayed behind in 1977), this means that more time travel will be necessary. In season one, Jack dated the bodies as being dead for 40-50 years, which would place their death somewhere around the mid-20th century. So the Losties would at least need to go back that far. I think they go back a little further.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:32 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Ok - then explain how the bomb caused the split.
"Whatever Happened, Happened".
Did it go off in both timelines? If so, how did that change anything? It seems that the only way that the bomb could cause a split is if it happened when it should not have ... if it was a "variable", if it changed something (hence the split).
You can't say that the bomb caused the split by only happening in one reality if if happened in both because
quote:
"Whatever Happened, Happened".
Also - I have watched all the enhanced episodes but I don't remember them ever specifically stating that the bomb caused the split. I may have missed it though so I would appreciate you reminding me where it was if possible.
Posted on 3/11/10 at 12:33 pm to AstroTiger
you start to wonder if the writers are now looking back thinking:
"dude, have you seen the internet today? frick! We should've NEVER taken the time travel route"
"dude, have you seen the internet today? frick! We should've NEVER taken the time travel route"
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