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re: LOST "Happily Ever After" S6.E11 (Desmond-centric)
Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:02 pm to Uncle Stu
Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:02 pm to Uncle Stu
Yeah, given what we know that is all within the realm of possibility. This one...
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...or MIB can look like whomever the frick he wants to, we're just making a false assumption that they have to be dead
..interests me the most.
I've wondered the same thing about Vincent. There were a few times in Season 1 when you see Vincent that gives the distinct impression it could have been MIB as Vincent just checking things out. Same with the boars.
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Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:09 pm to tuck
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He's not dead, so MIB can't use him.
Says who?
When I rewatched the series before this season, one scene really stuck out to me. In Season Four, Episode 6 ("The Other Woman"), the other's therapist, Harper, appeared to Juliet and Jack in the jungle with "instructions from Ben" to stop Farraday and Charlotte from getting to the Tempest (the device that releases the poison gas). It was strange because Harper simply appeared out of nowhere and disappeared even faster.
Knowing that MIB could take the form of Locke (remember, this was on rewatch), it seemed likely that he was taking the form of Harper. If MIB's goal is to get off the island, and he needs humans to help him, the last thing he'd want is for every person to die from poisonous gas.
I think the "rule" that MIB can only take the form of dead people isn't correct.
ETA: Also, Walt appears to Locke in Through the Looking Glass, Part 1 right before Locke kills himself. Knowing that MIB's motivation is to get off the island, and assuming he's planned to use Locke all along, it would be reasonable to assume that this manifestation of Walt is really MIB preventing Locke from killing himself.
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:10 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Yeah, I'm coming to that conclusion myself. Read my post above yours.
I think the "rule" that MIB can only take the form of dead people isn't correct.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:12 pm to Decatur
quote:Love the The Room sig
Decatur
Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:44 pm to tuck
I'm glad we are touching on the issue of Walt and Harper being able to appear and disappear out of thin air. First off, I'm not so sure that it is MIB making appearances. In Season 2, that lady asked Michael whether Walt ever showed up in places that he was not supposed to be at...hinting that he may be able to teleport. I'm think the woman asked this because she might know that the some of the Others have this same ability (Harper for instance). In most of the cases where we have seen Others pop up, it is usually preceded by the Whispers. I haven't fully wrapped my head around the consequences of what the Whispers mean, but being that some of the audio is reversed, I'm guessing that teleportation (if this is actually the case) be one of the causes of the whispers (at least from the perspective of the non-teleporters in the vicinity). I'm wondering if one of the secrets of the Others is to be able to bend/fold space-time.
Kind of thinking out loud. Bash away.
Kind of thinking out loud. Bash away.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:49 pm to Decatur
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I'm wondering if one of the secrets of the Others is to be able to bend/fold space-time.
I have doubts that they are able to "facilitate" it (other than the donkey wheel) but regardless are keenly aware of it's existence and the fact that other people have some rudimentary ability to do it. I always thought that The Others basically took the ball from Dharma's research and kept it going in their own way - but obviously they had quite different agendas.
but I think you are absolutely on the right track when you state that the whispers & Walt (& possibly other instances) are some sort of conduit between the two timelines
Posted on 4/5/10 at 3:59 pm to Uncle Stu
off topic, but wondering if anyone had a count as to the number centric episodes each character has had. Jack has to be leading by quite a bit, followed by Locke, Kate, and Sawyer I am guessing.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:00 pm to Decatur
quote:I'm rewatching all the old episodes and when I get to a part of the episode that include whispers, I pull up the transcripts and read them while I watch the scene. For some reason I get the distinct impression that the whispers are from dead people and/or people that can commune with the dead.
I'm glad we are touching on the issue of Walt and Harper being able to appear and disappear out of thin air. First off, I'm not so sure that it is MIB making appearances. In Season 2, that lady asked Michael whether Walt ever showed up in places that he was not supposed to be at...hinting that he may be able to teleport. I'm think the woman asked this because she might know that the some of the Others have this same ability (Harper for instance). In most of the cases where we have seen Others pop up, it is usually preceded by the Whispers. I haven't fully wrapped my head around the consequences of what the Whispers mean, but being that some of the audio is reversed, I'm guessing that teleportation (if this is actually the case) be one of the causes of the whispers (at least from the perspective of the non-teleporters in the vicinity). I'm wondering if one of the secrets of the Others is to be able to bend/fold space-time.
The last episode I watched was "Collision" where Shannon dies. Right before she gets shot these are a few of the whispers...
(bold is mine)
LEFT:
"Relax dude, I think she likes the guy" Hurley speaking to Boone?
"You're life"
"Ich weiß nicht" (German for 'I don't know')
"Look out" Boone?
"Ana’s the trigger"
"You're gonna kill her"
"Move on"
(Gun shot)
"See ya"
(Like a chorus singing just after the gunshot)
”
CENTER:
"Shannon"
"She likes the guy, she likes the guy"
"Shannon"
"Your life and time is up"
"Help me"
"Shannon, meet me on the other side"Boone?
"Her song" ('Ana Lucia' when reversed)
(Gun shot)
”
RIGHT:
"Relax dude, she likes the guy, she likes the guy" Hurley speaking to Boone?
"Shannon"
"I know it all I know it all..."
"Dying sucks" Boone?
"Shannon"
"I don't think you should tell her when she comes" Someone talking to Boone?
"Obviously she likes you"
"Who's the guy?"
"I want to see Shannon" Boone?
"Eye to eye"
"Who's the guy?"
"Fire Lucia"
"The brothers that help us"
"Are you done with it?"
"Her song" ('Ana Lucia' when reversed)
(Gun shot)
"Fire"
This is obviously totally out of left field, but it definitely seems like the people speaking are dead and are getting ready to see Shannon where ever they are. I'm probably reaching, but that was what occurred to me watching it earlier.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:02 pm to Uncle Stu
The Whispers are the biggest unanswered mystery for me right now. If the translations I've seen are accurate, it could lead to some pretty wild conclusions. Usually when we heard the whispers, the Others were about to pop up on the scene (not in all cases though). That could mean what I tried to explain in my post above. Another theory is that the whispers are like inter-dimensional audio bleed where there are people from another dimension (not the one the audience sees) that are trying to influence events in the dimension/timeline that we see.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:07 pm to Decatur
quote:This seems like it's correct but it also seems like where ever they are coming from, the voices are talking about what is going on in that scene. Which, of course, makes my imagination run wild.
like inter-dimensional audio bleed
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:08 pm to tuck
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This is obviously totally out of left field, but it definitely seems like the people speaking are dead and are getting ready to see Shannon where ever they are. I'm probably reaching, but that was what occurred to me watching it earlier.
I thought the same thing (that one of the voices was Boone) when I read that transcript. There was also some weird cross talk in that one that still has me a bit baffled. Have we ever seen the phrase "eye to eye" before?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:10 pm to Decatur
quote:Not that I remember, but it definitely seems important to who ever is doing the whispering.
I thought the same thing (that one of the voices was Boone) when I read that transcript. There was also some weird cross talk in that one that still has me a bit baffled. Have we ever seen the phrase "eye to eye" before?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:17 pm to tuck
I kinda think that instead of what you two proposed, the whispers are an audio "bleed over" from the alternate timeline, but neither is consciously aware of the other. In other words, similar things are happening in both timelines simultaneously, but something about the island allows them to "hear" it.
Perhaps when the two separate events are so close in nature, they converge distorting the delineation between the two.
It's a tough one to figure out, because it really does seem that the whispers are directly correlated to the Others' appearance. Perhaps they, or at least one of them, can manipulate it? Throughout all the instances, is there any one Other that's a common thread in all of them?
Perhaps when the two separate events are so close in nature, they converge distorting the delineation between the two.
It's a tough one to figure out, because it really does seem that the whispers are directly correlated to the Others' appearance. Perhaps they, or at least one of them, can manipulate it? Throughout all the instances, is there any one Other that's a common thread in all of them?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:34 pm to Uncle Stu
While Ben kidnaps Alex, he tells Danielle: "if you want your child to live, every time you hear whispers, you run the other way."
Not trying to be rude, but I think ya'll are diving deep into something that probably won't be addressed, and is simply an interesting sound effect.
Not trying to be rude, but I think ya'll are diving deep into something that probably won't be addressed, and is simply an interesting sound effect.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:35 pm to The Boob
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that probably won't be addressed,
I beg to differ on that
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:42 pm to Uncle Stu
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but neither is consciously aware of the other.
I think the ones on the other side/dimension are aware of what's going on...at least to some degree.
Whisper transcripts
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Perhaps when the two separate events are so close in nature, they converge distorting the delineation between the two.
I do like this idea. If we view this whole island experience as having happened before in a prior iteration (or multiple iterations), then the Whispers could be like a tape cassette that has been dubbed over several times while preserving the prior audio (could explain some the weird phrases that are included).
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It's a tough one to figure out, because it really does seem that the whispers are directly correlated to the Others' appearance.
I don't think they are always involved with an appearance by the Others. There can also happen when Walt or Smokie shows up.
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Throughout all the instances, is there any one Other that's a common thread in all of them?
If there is I haven't figured it out yet. I'm not even sure that there will be a consistency between the whispers we heard in earlier seasons and the ones from later season (as to the ramifications what the Whispers mean). And let's remember, the Whispers can happen off of the island too as we saw with Michael on the freighter and the autopsy of Charlotte Malkin.
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:45 pm to The Boob
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simply an interesting sound effect
They are certainly more than that. You should read the Whisper transcripts if you have not already done so. I'm not saying the transcripts are 100% accurate but they definitely give me the impression that more has been going on than meets the eye.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:46 pm to tuck
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There were a few times in Season 1 when you see Vincent that gives the distinct impression it could have been MIB as Vincent just checking things out. Same with the boars.
reading too much into it imo
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:48 pm to coachLSU
what if walt died in the plane crash?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:53 pm to coachLSU
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what if walt died in the plane crash?
then I suffered thru 3 years of that assbag screaming "WAAAAAAALLLLLTTT" over a fricking ghost??
frick you LOST and the plane you rode in on
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