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re: LOST "LAX" S6.E1/2.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 2:32 pm to sgallo3
Posted on 2/4/10 at 2:32 pm to sgallo3
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but it's correct that richard was a slave on the original boat that crashed on the island, i'm thinking he must have been severely hurt, causing them to use the spirit water to heal him and him to never age
Ben continued to age after being healed. Maybe because he was a child?
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Posted on 2/4/10 at 2:36 pm to BhamTigah
Just a thought, but maybe the two timelines are necessary because the Losties changed the future for their alternate selves, but not their actual selves. The Losties who exploded the bomb and remember it had already experienced the island and went back there. The alternate Losties in another timeloop were saved from going to the island because the island was under water at the time they otherwise would have gone.
IOW, the Losties did change the future, just not for themselves.
IOW, the Losties did change the future, just not for themselves.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 2:43 pm to BhamTigah
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Just a thought, but maybe the two timelines are necessary because the Losties changed the future for their alternate selves, but not their actual selves. The Losties who exploded the bomb and remember it had already experienced the island and went back there. The alternate Losties in another timeloop were saved from going to the island because the island was under water at the time they otherwise would have gone.
IOW, the Losties did change the future, just not for themselves.
Kind of.
I'm no expert on quantum physics, but I'm fairly certain that you can't "erase" something that has happened. This would be Daniel and Jack's error in the plan. Even though they may have successfully changed "the" past, they didn't change "their" past (hence, whatever happened, happened.) The bomb simply created a new split in time in 1977. You really can't think of the original timeline post-1977 as "future" because it has already happened.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 2:45 pm to BhamTigah
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Ben continued to age after being healed. Maybe because he was a child?
maybe he hasnt seen one inch of the Temple since that day
remember what Jacob said....."what about you?"
Posted on 2/4/10 at 2:58 pm to OMLandshark
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Plus the people in the alternate timeline will still probably be drawn in someway to the Island,
Scuba excursion?
Posted on 2/4/10 at 3:31 pm to BhamTigah
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Plus the people in the alternate timeline will still probably be drawn in someway to the Island,
Scuba excursion?
As part of a 3 hour tour.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 3:46 pm to theunknownknight
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1. The writers are obviously showing us that whatever happened to the Losties originally on the island will happen in a similar form in the alternate reality. Desmond was SUPPOSED to be on the island (recall Elois Hawkings words) and Charlie was supposed to die. So when Charlie lives, the alt reality corrects and sends Desmond (because he is different) back to the island in 2007, since the 2004 version is now underwater.
Ok so why is everyone up in arms about Charlie not dying on the flight. Charlie didn't die for a while after he was on the island. Also Charlie died in a noble manner; not as a druggie. Maybe his episode in the lavatory was a mimic of a near death experience he had on the beach in the pilot (don't have access to review that right now to check)
If these timelines say that things will end up the same in either timeline, Charlie still has time before he kicks the bucket in some sort of noble way.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 3:59 pm to Uncle Stu
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maybe he hasnt seen one inch of the Temple since that day
remember what Jacob said....."what about you?"
I think Ben has been to the Temple a couple of times. He was their leader. The only thing he wasn't allowed to do is talk to Jacob. Plus Ben preferred electricity over sleeping in tents like most of the Others. The reason they moved to the Barracks in the first place was because of Ben.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 4:02 pm to ctalati32
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Charlie didn't die for a while after he was on the island. Also Charlie died in a noble manner; not as a druggie. Maybe his episode in the lavatory was a mimic of a near death experience he had on the beach in the pilot (don't have access to review that right now to check
Or when Ethan hung him in Season One and Jack saved him.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 4:03 pm to OMLandshark
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The reason they moved to the Barracks in the first place was because of Ben.
how do you figure?
I dont remember them ever saying this
Posted on 2/4/10 at 4:06 pm to Uncle Stu
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how do you figure?
I dont remember them ever saying this
How dare you question the all-knowing OMLanddouche?
Posted on 2/4/10 at 4:06 pm to Uncle Stu
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how do you figure?
I dont remember them ever saying this
Richard told Locke that the Others were tired of Ben's rule, and they wanted to focus on more important matters and go back to the way things were. And notice that after Ben left the Island, they didn't go back to the Barracks. They lived in the Barracks because thats where Ben wanted to live.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 4:10 pm to Antonio Moss
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Charlie didn't die for a while after he was on the island. Also Charlie died in a noble manner; not as a druggie. Maybe his episode in the lavatory was a mimic of a near death experience he had on the beach in the pilot (don't have access to review that right now to check
Or when Ethan hung him in Season One and Jack saved him.
Good call, I couldn't think of it off the top of my head, but I knew he almost died at one point. Good ole Jack even got to save him.
Wasn't Charlie even kind of mad at Jack for saving him after too (after being hung)?
Posted on 2/4/10 at 4:15 pm to OMLandshark
My theory on the current timeline with MIB, the temple,and etc and the alternate timeline:
As far as Juliet detonating the bomb; the only thing it did was bring the losties forward in time to their current timeline. It didn't change the past in any way, nor did it cause the island to sink.
The alternate timeline and the island being under water is the result of the outcome of the battle between MIB and dead jacob, sayid, and losties in the current timeline.
So pretty much, I think the writers are showing us what happens to the characters after the battle b/w jacob and MIB--which changes the past and creates this alternate timeline.
we'll see....
As far as Juliet detonating the bomb; the only thing it did was bring the losties forward in time to their current timeline. It didn't change the past in any way, nor did it cause the island to sink.
The alternate timeline and the island being under water is the result of the outcome of the battle between MIB and dead jacob, sayid, and losties in the current timeline.
So pretty much, I think the writers are showing us what happens to the characters after the battle b/w jacob and MIB--which changes the past and creates this alternate timeline.
we'll see....
Posted on 2/4/10 at 4:26 pm to Hot Carl
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How dare you question the all-knowing OMLanddouche?
How about you frick off?
Posted on 2/4/10 at 5:11 pm to OMLandshark
Alright, I've read all 41 pages of this thread finally, over the course of 3 days.
I've seen a lot of good points, some really bad ones and some bad information.
So before I give my two cents, I've got some posts that need some help.
That is 100% wrong. Ilana and crew go to the cabin and find that piece of fabric. They then go to the statue to see Jacob, where Jacob dies and Locke/MIB rips off a random piece of fabric to clean the knife. No way that piece of fabric is the same.
Someone said this in the context that Jacob is now in Sayid's body. If Jacob did take over Sayid's body, what gives you the notion that Jacob would all of a sudden act like this was normal? The crew of Losties at the temple would know something was up. If it is Jacob, I imagine that the "What happened?" response would be how Jacob would play it off so he doesn't lose any trust of Jack and gang.
Alright so now my thoughts and theories:
As for the Shannon missing, I read that she couldn't do the filming because of her film career, but I don't know the validity behind that.
If MIB=Smokie and MIB wants to get back "home", which I think is the temple, then why does Ben have summoning power to Smokie and why does Smokie listen to him? It seems as if Smokie would pull some sort of agreement to get back in, in exchange for some killings or something.
As for the debate behind who has been in the cabin, it was clearly Jacob being protected from Smokie by living in the ring of ash. I believe this is confirmed because Ilana and crew go there in search of Jacob. It makes no sense as to why you would think anything else.
I realize that once the ash was broken that smokie/MIB could have/did live there but since Ilana and crew were suprised to see the ash ring broken, there should be no debate what the ash was for: to keep Smokie away from Jacob, not to contain MIB/Smokie.
I agree with the reasoning as to why Richard told the Others not to shoot at Locke. It's obvious that if people try to hurt MIB he retaliates in the form of smokie and would probably kill everyone.
I'm probably leaving out some of what I was going to say because I forgot it after reading all 41 pages.
eta: just noticed that I was post 815.
I've seen a lot of good points, some really bad ones and some bad information.
So before I give my two cents, I've got some posts that need some help.
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Remember when locke took the rug, cleaned the knife and ripped it? That's what they found stuck into the wall in the cabin. The ash was probably broken by someone else since he has ben doing his dirty work...but they found that before he was killed. Right?
That is 100% wrong. Ilana and crew go to the cabin and find that piece of fabric. They then go to the statue to see Jacob, where Jacob dies and Locke/MIB rips off a random piece of fabric to clean the knife. No way that piece of fabric is the same.
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Jacob would understand what had happened
Someone said this in the context that Jacob is now in Sayid's body. If Jacob did take over Sayid's body, what gives you the notion that Jacob would all of a sudden act like this was normal? The crew of Losties at the temple would know something was up. If it is Jacob, I imagine that the "What happened?" response would be how Jacob would play it off so he doesn't lose any trust of Jack and gang.
quote:I thought this point was really interesting. I know that we see an old ship off the coast in the Season 5 Finale but it has not been confirmed that this is the Black Rock. However when you think about it, the concept doesn't follow the timeline. The island is now underwater in the new reality, whether or not it was caused by the bomb, which went off in 1977. The black rock was there wayyyy before that so unless there is another or multiple alternate realities that have been created, the island rising in 2004 would not "catch" the Black rock unless it has sunk and risen before.
Island underwater then rising to the top, would explain Blackrock being in the middle of the island....just not how or why island "rises and falls"
Alright so now my thoughts and theories:
As for the Shannon missing, I read that she couldn't do the filming because of her film career, but I don't know the validity behind that.
If MIB=Smokie and MIB wants to get back "home", which I think is the temple, then why does Ben have summoning power to Smokie and why does Smokie listen to him? It seems as if Smokie would pull some sort of agreement to get back in, in exchange for some killings or something.
As for the debate behind who has been in the cabin, it was clearly Jacob being protected from Smokie by living in the ring of ash. I believe this is confirmed because Ilana and crew go there in search of Jacob. It makes no sense as to why you would think anything else.
I realize that once the ash was broken that smokie/MIB could have/did live there but since Ilana and crew were suprised to see the ash ring broken, there should be no debate what the ash was for: to keep Smokie away from Jacob, not to contain MIB/Smokie.
I agree with the reasoning as to why Richard told the Others not to shoot at Locke. It's obvious that if people try to hurt MIB he retaliates in the form of smokie and would probably kill everyone.
I'm probably leaving out some of what I was going to say because I forgot it after reading all 41 pages.
eta: just noticed that I was post 815.
This post was edited on 2/4/10 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 2/4/10 at 5:14 pm to btwnthehedges91
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As for the debate behind who has been in the cabin, it was clearly Jacob being protected from Smokie by living in the ring of ash. I believe this is confirmed because Ilana and crew go there in search of Jacob. It makes no sense as to why you would think anything else.
I realize that once the ash was broken that smokie/MIB could have/did live there but since Ilana and crew were suprised to see the ash ring broken, there should be no debate what the ash was for: to keep Smokie away from Jacob, not to contain MIB/Smokie.
The only problem with this is that MIB/Smokie can't kill Jacob, so why would Jacob need protection from him?
Posted on 2/4/10 at 5:16 pm to OMLandshark
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Richard told Locke that the Others were tired of Ben's rule,
....right
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and they wanted to focus on more important matters and go back to the way things were.
missed that, do you recall roughly what episode that was around?
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after Ben left the Island, they didn't go back to the Barracks.
no, but he had just told them to go to the Temple, I thought
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They lived in the Barracks because thats where Ben wanted to live.
that's a leap I'm not 100% you're correct on- I dont know that you're not, just think it's a little shaky assumption
...don't know, it's a minor issue at most
Posted on 2/4/10 at 5:16 pm to Antonio Moss
Okay then I begin to think that Jacob could use it as a safe house for meetings with his followers such as Richard. To me that makes more sense than containing smokie, who we've seen all over the place throughout the series.
Posted on 2/4/10 at 5:20 pm to btwnthehedges91
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As for the debate behind who has been in the cabin, it was clearly Jacob being protected from Smokie by living in the ring of ash. I believe this is confirmed because Ilana and crew go there in search of Jacob. It makes no sense as to why you would think anything else.
OK, I'll dig on this
if this is indeed the case, could someone very briefly list all incidents at the cabin(regardless of shoe color), and note when Hugo broke the ash ring? Because we'd have to investigate all that was said by Christian before the break, and everything after the break, assuming Jacob fled to the statue immediately after
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