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re: LOST "LAX" S6.E1/2.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 12:19 pm to UnoMe
Posted on 2/5/10 at 12:19 pm to UnoMe
quote:The flight is a consequence of an altered history where the island is destroyed in 1977. The bomb ripped the timeline in half creating one where realtime is 2004 and where there was no island after 1977 and one where everything has progressed as we have seen it on the show and the losties are now in 2007.
The flight we see now is what would have happen if no crash. Just a bunch of travelers going from 1 place to the other.But everyone is intrigued by they from the first 5 seasons.
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 12:23 pm to Lsut81
I'm pretty sure its two alternate realities. As someone just mentioned the producers said there wasn't going to be any time travel or flashbacks or flash forwards this season, which would contradict the theory that the plane ride is what happens after the events on the island between MIB/jacob. The only way it could be true is if the producers are lying
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:20 pm to tigerfan88
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:23 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:30 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:30 pm to tigerfan88
quote:
The flight is a consequence of an altered history where the island is destroyed in 1977. The bomb ripped the timeline in half creating one where realtime is 2004 and where there was no island after 1977 and one where everything has progressed as we have seen it on the show and the losties are now in 2007.
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the shark they showed at the beggining of the episode had a Dharma logo on it. When Charlie died (around 2006), they also showed a shark with a Dharma logo on it. This tells me that unless the shark was 30 years old, the island had to be destoyed in 2007, or will ultimatley be destroyed by the end of this season.
So my theory is that Jack, Sawyer, Kate and company who are currently in 1977 will somehow make there way back to the island in 2007 along with the Ben/MIB/Sun....how they will go back to that time period is beyond me. I have a feeling that what they do in Los Angles before the crash occured will have some effect on what happens with them on the island in 1977. Feel free to bash me on this if this has already been talked about.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:35 pm to WarmBubble
quote:Negatory.
So my theory is that Jack, Sawyer, Kate and company who are currently in 1977
All the survivors who were at the Swan site for the H-bomb detonation are now in the "present." The hatch was imploded, and their interactions w/ the Templars (including sending off the flare) happened at the same time as MIB face-palming Richard.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:45 pm to Beastwood
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All the survivors who were at the Swan site for the H-bomb detonation are now in the "present." The hatch was imploded, and their interactions w/ the Templars (including sending off the flare) happened at the same time as MIB face-palming Richard.
My, bad. I just thought perhaps the shark reappearing was a clue to when the island was actually destroyed
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:57 pm to WarmBubble
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My, bad. I just thought perhaps the shark reappearing was a clue to when the island was actually destroyed
Thats a good clue, I also think the island was not sunk by the nuke. as the buildings, swingsets and statue were in decent shape, just underwater.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:58 pm to hashtag
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I agree. I think we are seeing one story. We're just watching it back and forth out of order.
i.e., If the final story is 100 days long, the losties on the island would represent days 1-50, starting at day 1. the losties on the plane represent days 51-100, starting on 51.
So, I think that they aren't really alternate realities. We are just seeing what will eventually happen later to the losties on the island.
exactly. apparently you explained this better than I did.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 2:18 pm to vorenus23
Now that I think about it, I'm really not sure what Cameron was thinking for not making the main character something like Locke. A guy who is emotionally defeated and almost irreparable in human eyes would have been a much better protagonist, and would make his turn against the humans a whole lot more believable. Jake Sully being paralyzed didn't do that much for his character except to provide the means on why he wanted to go to Pandora in the first place and why he preferred the Avatar body over his original.
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 2:49 pm to WarmBubble
If memory serves, the DHARMA shark was originally a blooper. The producers hadn't taken into account the larger screen size of High Def tv and left it in as a gag. They didn't think anyone would see it (much less shite themselves like I did ).
The more I think on the "alternate realities" thing, the more I don't think it necessarily has to be that way. The island moved before the bomb blew up, right? Thus when 2nd Jack and company are flying over, they are flying over the ruins of the island that was destroyed in 1977.
The island 1st Jack and crew are on is in the "present" (2008, maybe?) but in the new location. So while there is only one reality, you have two Jacks, Kates (yum!), Sawyers, Sayids, etc.
). The more I think on the "alternate realities" thing, the more I don't think it necessarily has to be that way. The island moved before the bomb blew up, right? Thus when 2nd Jack and company are flying over, they are flying over the ruins of the island that was destroyed in 1977.
The island 1st Jack and crew are on is in the "present" (2008, maybe?) but in the new location. So while there is only one reality, you have two Jacks, Kates (yum!), Sawyers, Sayids, etc.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:13 pm to Bard
Lets talk about the baby stuff.
No one could carry a baby full term on the island.
We end up with 3 kids.
Aaron.. born on the island.
Sun and Pennys baby born off the island.
They spent a lot of time with the whole baby problem and now no one really talks about it.
Could Aaron be Jacob's replacement?
No one could carry a baby full term on the island.
We end up with 3 kids.
Aaron.. born on the island.
Sun and Pennys baby born off the island.
They spent a lot of time with the whole baby problem and now no one really talks about it.
Could Aaron be Jacob's replacement?
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:17 pm to GeauxElliott
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Could Aaron be Jacob's replacement?
I've always assumed Aaron was important as he was the first born on the island in a very long time, but he could be a dead storyline. (Like Walt?) I would think the story would have Aaron's birth and Jacob's death more closely related in time or circumstance if there was a real connection.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:53 pm to coloradoBengal
Maybe that's why Claire appeared in the dream where she told Kate to not bring Aaron back to the island? If the manifestations (except what Hurley sees) are MiB's doing, then that would make sense in that he didn't want Jacob to have a new vessel.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 4:03 pm to OMLandshark
I need a logic check on this one.
Jacob lives at the foot of the statue. jacob has a temple. (not that he owns, but that he looks over)
MIB can have free reign over the island. the others, who protect jacob, build a fence to keep MIB out. When summoned, he comes and takes out threats.
This sounds to me like MIB is running the island, and Jacob is being held captive. When they have the conversation on the beach, you know how much i want to kill you, sounds like someone who just cant get through the ash rings.
MIB only takes lives. From what i have seen, Jacob saves lives (Locke, Ben , Sayid), so back in '77 when Horace was building the cabin, was that a place to banish Jacob? Up until the purge, babies are being born on the island. then the cabin is built and babies cant be born on the island.
Jacob lives at the foot of the statue. jacob has a temple. (not that he owns, but that he looks over)
MIB can have free reign over the island. the others, who protect jacob, build a fence to keep MIB out. When summoned, he comes and takes out threats.
This sounds to me like MIB is running the island, and Jacob is being held captive. When they have the conversation on the beach, you know how much i want to kill you, sounds like someone who just cant get through the ash rings.
MIB only takes lives. From what i have seen, Jacob saves lives (Locke, Ben , Sayid), so back in '77 when Horace was building the cabin, was that a place to banish Jacob? Up until the purge, babies are being born on the island. then the cabin is built and babies cant be born on the island.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 5:58 pm to Bard
quote:
The more I think on the "alternate realities" thing, the more I don't think it necessarily has to be that way. The island moved before the bomb blew up, right? Thus when 2nd Jack and company are flying over, they are flying over the ruins of the island that was destroyed in 1977.
The island 1st Jack and crew are on is in the "present" (2008, maybe?) but in the new location. So while there is only one reality, you have two Jacks, Kates (yum!), Sawyers, Sayids, etc.
So are you going The Prestige here? When the Island moves it sinks the old one and creates a new/alternate one in another timeline?
Just trying to figure out if that's what you're saying.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 6:18 pm to theunknownknight
My explanation about the alternate reality:
The writers had two goals in mind:
1. It is a device to show us how much their character arcs have changed since the crash
2. The multiverse theory combined with the Double-slit experiment and Schrödinger's cat can show that a person can be in two placed at once depending on the observer.
So the Losties basically went though a "double slit" and will reconverge later at the end of season 6.
Evidence: Recall when Charlotte died? Remember right after the flash she was talking as if she was somewhere else? They same thing happened with Juliet right before she died following a white flash. She "slipped" into the alternate reality and saw that Jack's plan worked.
Basically that means that each person is "linked" in some way to the other reality much like Jet Li in "The One".
They will reconverge and have made "progress" based on free will in a world driving by destiny.
The writers had two goals in mind:
1. It is a device to show us how much their character arcs have changed since the crash
2. The multiverse theory combined with the Double-slit experiment and Schrödinger's cat can show that a person can be in two placed at once depending on the observer.
So the Losties basically went though a "double slit" and will reconverge later at the end of season 6.
Evidence: Recall when Charlotte died? Remember right after the flash she was talking as if she was somewhere else? They same thing happened with Juliet right before she died following a white flash. She "slipped" into the alternate reality and saw that Jack's plan worked.
Basically that means that each person is "linked" in some way to the other reality much like Jet Li in "The One".
They will reconverge and have made "progress" based on free will in a world driving by destiny.
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 2/5/10 at 7:38 pm to Beastwood
quote:
When the Island moves it sinks the old one and creates a new/alternate one in another timeline?
WE DON'T KNOW YET!!
Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:32 pm to manwich
when is the latest we see an "intact" statue?
when black rock is coming with Jacob/mib on beach?
when is the soonest we see "just the foot"?
makes me think that bomb has always gone off, and destroyed statue. Did they ever say what made the statue crumble? Did we see pieces of the statue in the water or just the foot?
when black rock is coming with Jacob/mib on beach?
when is the soonest we see "just the foot"?
makes me think that bomb has always gone off, and destroyed statue. Did they ever say what made the statue crumble? Did we see pieces of the statue in the water or just the foot?
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