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re: LOST "LAX" S6.E1/2.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 2:56 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 2/6/10 at 2:56 pm to OMLandshark
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And explain what happened in the Cabin then. Jacob obviously possesses very few qualities that the person in the Cabin did.
i said originally that i beleived jacob to be the one trapped in the cabin, and this is the reason for the pregnancy problems. the birth of claire signifies that jacob is not held hostage anymore. at that point, it is MIB in the cabin.
when ilana gets to the cabin she says the same thing. hes not here, someone else has been using it for some time (3 years or so).
ethan was the last baby born on the island before the pregnancy problems back in 1977. a few things then happen. a cabin is built & the others take over the dharma initiative.
somewhere between '77 and closely before claires birth, jacob is freed from his cabin, and MIB is trapped inside. the ash ring is broken later on, and MIB gets his chance to get back.
about jacobs qualities... why did richard lead a mass killing of the dharma intiative if he is working for jacob. are those jacob qualitites?
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 2:57 pm
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Posted on 2/6/10 at 3:10 pm to Haplochrom
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i said originally that i beleived jacob to be the one trapped in the cabin, and this is the reason for the pregnancy problems. the birth of claire signifies that jacob is not held hostage anymore. at that point, it is MIB in the cabin.
Jacob was not "imprisoned" in the Cabin at least 4 years before they landed on the Island, and Jin and Sun's marriage has probably been less than 4 years. Jacob is not at all responsible for the pregnancy problems on the Island, and all evidence so far points to the Incident being the problem.
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about jacobs qualities... why did richard lead a mass killing of the dharma intiative if he is working for jacob. are those jacob qualitites?
If they were directly threatening the Island and Jacob's people, then yes, I think that Jacob would want them eliminated.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 3:53 pm to OMLandshark
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Jacob was not "imprisoned" in the Cabin at least 4 years before they landed on the Island, and Jin and Sun's marriage has probably been less than 4 years. Jacob is not at all responsible for the pregnancy problems on the Island, and all evidence so far points to the Incident being the problem.
what evidence? juliet states that babies concieved off island have a good chance of being born. if the incident was the problem, how did sun have a child?
so its either bens leadership (which could very well be as the island didnt heal his tumor) or its the ash ring that held jacob in the cabin.
the timeline you give above does nothing to contradict what im saying. you only bolster it by showing the clear gap in time that jacob is absent, which just happens to line up with the fertility problems on the island.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 3:55 pm to Haplochrom
do you not understand that the theory behind the pregnancy problems that revolves around the Incident is based upon the remaining radiation?
Radiation + people = fricked up shite
A ring of ash will not cause pregnancy problems and neither is ben's leadership, that is just a terrible idea
Radiation + people = fricked up shite
A ring of ash will not cause pregnancy problems and neither is ben's leadership, that is just a terrible idea
Posted on 2/6/10 at 4:04 pm to Haplochrom
quote:It might have something to do with the fact that she didn't carry to term on the island. She got off before she made it to her third trimester, which Juliet described as the danger zone for on-island pregnancies.
how did sun have a child?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 4:23 pm to Haplochrom
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what evidence? juliet states that babies concieved off island have a good chance of being born. if the incident was the problem, how did sun have a child?
Yeah they do, since it happens during conception. The Island makes you see it as a foreign invader, which eventually leads to both of their deaths. If the baby is conceived off the Island, the body is already used to it to where it is not seen as a foreign invader. If you get off of the Island, then it no longer matters since the Island no longer has any direct effect over your body.
And Ben has said that its been decades since anyone besides Claire and Rousseau have given birth on the Island, and lies that he was one of the very last people born on the Island naturally.
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so its either bens leadership (which could very well be as the island didnt heal his tumor) or its the ash ring that held jacob in the cabin.
Jacob was out and about on the world saving Locke's life, going to Jin and Sun's wedding, and Jack's first surgery, and all of this is under Ben's watch. The ash ring has no affect over Jacob, and he was never held anywhere against his will. Jacob does whatever he pleases.
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the timeline you give above does nothing to contradict what im saying. you only bolster it by showing the clear gap in time that jacob is absent, which just happens to line up with the fertility problems on the island.
It actually contradicts everything you are saying. There is tops a 4 year gap in which Ben could be screwing around "imprisoning Jacob" and the pregnancy problems are far older than 4 years.
And in case you are curious where I'm getting the 4 years from, Locke was paralyzed 4 years before the crash, and Jacob was there when Locke fell from the building.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 4:24 pm to btwnthehedges91
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A ring of ash will not cause pregnancy problems and neither is ben's leadership, that is just a terrible idea
Seriously, it is one of the worst theories I have ever heard, since there is no evidence for it, and an infinite amount of evidence against it.
Posted on 2/8/10 at 1:18 pm to btwnthehedges91
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Radiation + people = fricked up shite
Didn't Juliet once say that the pregnant women had the equivalent of 80 year-old uteruses?
Posted on 2/8/10 at 3:04 pm to OMLandshark
This is not in reply to anyone in particular, but just some food for thought:
Season 5, Episode 1, approx 27 minutes in:
Juliet: We can stop them, we can warn them...
Farady: That's not the way it works. You cannot change anything...you can't. Even if you tried to, it wouldn't work. Time, it's like a street. We can move forward, we can move reverse...but we cannot make a new street. If we try to do anything different, we will fail every time. Whatever happened...happened...
Makes me think that the whole parallel universe thing that is going on is BS unless Faraday was wrong.
Season 5, Episode 1, approx 27 minutes in:
Juliet: We can stop them, we can warn them...
Farady: That's not the way it works. You cannot change anything...you can't. Even if you tried to, it wouldn't work. Time, it's like a street. We can move forward, we can move reverse...but we cannot make a new street. If we try to do anything different, we will fail every time. Whatever happened...happened...
Makes me think that the whole parallel universe thing that is going on is BS unless Faraday was wrong.
Posted on 2/8/10 at 3:20 pm to saintforlife
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Farady: That's not the way it works. You cannot change anything...you can't. Even if you tried to, it wouldn't work. Time, it's like a street. We can move forward, we can move reverse...but we cannot make a new street. If we try to do anything different, we will fail every time. Whatever happened...happened...
Juliet: "It worked."
Posted on 2/8/10 at 3:20 pm to saintforlife
Something else to think about:
The imploded swan post-bomb was the same as the imploded swan post the button not being pressed, exercise bike and all. if the bomb went off, stopped the release of the energy, and changed things then why does the swan exist in the same state as before? as of now, with them in the imploded swan site it makes me believe they're going to be on the island in the same exact story line as they lived through except this time watching themselves act it out.
Perhaps the bomb negates why they go back, and get placed back in time before they travel. Like Faraday says, you can't make a new street, you can only go forward or backwards. Nothing ever changes.
The imploded swan post-bomb was the same as the imploded swan post the button not being pressed, exercise bike and all. if the bomb went off, stopped the release of the energy, and changed things then why does the swan exist in the same state as before? as of now, with them in the imploded swan site it makes me believe they're going to be on the island in the same exact story line as they lived through except this time watching themselves act it out.
Perhaps the bomb negates why they go back, and get placed back in time before they travel. Like Faraday says, you can't make a new street, you can only go forward or backwards. Nothing ever changes.
Posted on 2/8/10 at 3:35 pm to saintforlife
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The imploded swan post-bomb was the same as the imploded swan post the button not being pressed,
you missed it
they were transported thru time to the present, after the hatch imploded - that's why it looked the same
if anything, you have to wonder if they detonated a nuclear bomb, how in the frick did the construction of the Swan continue?
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