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re: LOST S06E06 - Sundown
Posted on 3/3/10 at 11:53 am to AstroTiger
Posted on 3/3/10 at 11:53 am to AstroTiger
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Maggie Grace has not become such a great actress that she is above returning to the show so that kinda pissed me off, but thats beside the point
Yea, I would like to see her again if for no other reason a reunion of the old gang. But I guess she either wasn't interested or had other commitments. She's nice eye-candy but other than that not much off a loss.
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 11:58 am to Beastwood
quote:thnx, from watching DVD's of past seasons, most episodes are 43-44 min. not including credits
42:27 if you count the end credits
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:00 pm to davesdawgs
i also find it interesting that Ben was on Jacob's side, switched and became a follower of MIB (not that he knew it at the time), kills Jacob setting off this chain of events where there is no balance of white/black good/evil, then now he has gotten back with the Jacob team. What is his role now? he doesn't really appear to be on either team but right now is following them... and the Ben/Sayid scene last night was priceless
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:04 pm to AstroTiger
Not to mention that Ben got left behind at the temple, unless he knew about the secret pasage way, which I would think he wouldn't.
He might be on his own in the next epsiode and we'll see what he stumbles upon.
He might be on his own in the next epsiode and we'll see what he stumbles upon.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:08 pm to The Eric
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I hope Sawyer pwns MIB. I just dont want him ending up being the bad guy.
I'm hoping this also. As I mentioned in another post, I think Sawyer is just playing along with Flocke to see what happens; he doesn't have much to look forward to off the island. Unlike Jack who seems to be an all round good guy, Sawyer and Kate are more in Limbo. Both have murdered and done other questionable things but they also have shown genuine concern and kindness. Flocke is counting on Sawyer's anguish/hate over Juliet's death as the emotional tie that will win him over. I can easily see a face-off in the end between Jack representing Jacob and Sawyer as MIB. It's hard to say how the writers will finish it. Could be that Jacob and MIB both leave the island leaving Jack and Sawyer playing the game. Or maybe Sawyer's good side breaks through and darkness remains contained. Should be an excited finale however it works out.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:17 pm to AstroTiger
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and the Ben/Sayid scene last night was priceless
I have always thought that the actor playing Sayid has done a pretty cheesy job at acting "nice". I think he's found his niche with the new evil Sayid.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:19 pm to AstroTiger
quote:
also find it interesting that Ben was on Jacob's side, switched and became a follower of MIB (not that he knew it at the time), kills Jacob setting off this chain of events where there is no balance of white/black good/evil, then now he has gotten back with the Jacob team. What is his role now? he doesn't really appear to be on either team but right now is following them... and the Ben/Sayid scene last night was priceless
Unlike Locke, Ben lacked the faith/affinity for the island. Ben felt neglected by Jacob and his pride got the better of him when he killed Jacob. After Ben saw Locke's body on the beach, he realized that it was not Locke but Flocke who had duped him into murdering Jacob. I think Ben is now realigned with the good guys and the WTF moment with Sayid last night was acknowledgement that MIB has taken control of yet another of his comrades. Ben's reaction in the next Ben-centric episode should be very entertaining. I am really looking forward to each new episode down the stretch.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:29 pm to davesdawgs
Will both doogan and Kenny Powers' brother come back to life as "evil", since they were both killed in the same pool that they initially drowned Sayid in?
I am not sure if there are really "sides" or a "good" and "evil" type thing going on. It seems like both Jacob and MIB are both just testing everyone. Doogan wanted (I guess he was working in Jacob's name) Sayid to kill FLocke and FLocke wanted Sayid to kill Doogan. Both sound pretty evil in there own way. It's like both sides are being tested to see who the next guardian of the island will be.
I am not sure if there are really "sides" or a "good" and "evil" type thing going on. It seems like both Jacob and MIB are both just testing everyone. Doogan wanted (I guess he was working in Jacob's name) Sayid to kill FLocke and FLocke wanted Sayid to kill Doogan. Both sound pretty evil in there own way. It's like both sides are being tested to see who the next guardian of the island will be.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:29 pm to davesdawgs
Will both doogan and Kenny Powers' brother come back to life as "evil", since they were both killed in the same pool that they initially drowned Sayid in?
I am not sure if there are really "sides" or a "good" and "evil" type thing going on. It seems like both Jacob and MIB are both just testing everyone. Doogan wanted (I guess he was working in Jacob's name) Sayid to kill FLocke and FLocke wanted Sayid to kill Doogan. Both sound pretty evil in there own way. It's like both sides are being tested to see who the next guardian of the island will be.
I am not sure if there are really "sides" or a "good" and "evil" type thing going on. It seems like both Jacob and MIB are both just testing everyone. Doogan wanted (I guess he was working in Jacob's name) Sayid to kill FLocke and FLocke wanted Sayid to kill Doogan. Both sound pretty evil in there own way. It's like both sides are being tested to see who the next guardian of the island will be.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:33 pm to tripsright60
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Doogan wanted (I guess he was working in Jacob's name) Sayid to kill FLocke and FLocke wanted Sayid to kill Doogan. Both sound pretty evil in there own way. It's like both sides are being tested to see who the next guardian of the island will be.
Who knows why Dogen tried to get Sayid to kill MIB, but MIB wanted Sayid to kill Dogen so he could get into the temple and massacre everyone.
Who's evil?
This post was edited on 3/3/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:43 pm to tripsright60
quote:This is my question. Will they be, well we're evil now or will they be clueless as to what happened?
Will both doogan and Kenny Powers' brother come back to life as "evil", since they were both killed in the same pool that they initially drowned Sayid in?
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:44 pm to joshnorris14
I got the impression that dogen knew sayid could not kill mib, so it was his only strategy left for sending sayid to his death. Maybe he didn't anticipate his plan backfiring on him.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:44 pm to davesdawgs
Theory alert...
Not sure how cohesive this is...
Dogan said the test after the "fountain of youth" was to see which way the scale of good and evil tips for each person. I am wondering if the pool is a second chance, but the "risks" are that you lose some level of free will and are easily convinced, as are all those we know who have been dipped in the fountain of youth.
My evidence:
1) Ben was easily convinced to carry out missions and lead the others, all in the name of Jacob, whom he had never seen. Also, he killed Locke and Jacob with a little convincing.
2) Claire (who I guess died during child birth?) seems pretty convinced that the others have her baby.
3) Sayid was convinced pretty easily to attempt to kill Flocke, and to kill Dogen/Lennon.
A shot in the dark, but I also wonder if the others who have been in the temple this whole time were plane crash survivors who died, and the temple took to reviving them?
Not sure how cohesive this is...
Dogan said the test after the "fountain of youth" was to see which way the scale of good and evil tips for each person. I am wondering if the pool is a second chance, but the "risks" are that you lose some level of free will and are easily convinced, as are all those we know who have been dipped in the fountain of youth.
My evidence:
1) Ben was easily convinced to carry out missions and lead the others, all in the name of Jacob, whom he had never seen. Also, he killed Locke and Jacob with a little convincing.
2) Claire (who I guess died during child birth?) seems pretty convinced that the others have her baby.
3) Sayid was convinced pretty easily to attempt to kill Flocke, and to kill Dogen/Lennon.
A shot in the dark, but I also wonder if the others who have been in the temple this whole time were plane crash survivors who died, and the temple took to reviving them?
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:45 pm to tripsright60
quote:
Will both doogan and Kenny Powers' brother come back to life as "evil", since they were both killed in the same pool that they initially drowned Sayid in?
I am not sure if there are really "sides" or a "good" and "evil" type thing going on. It seems like both Jacob and MIB are both just testing everyone. Doogan wanted (I guess he was working in Jacob's name) Sayid to kill FLocke and FLocke wanted Sayid to kill Doogan. Both sound pretty evil in there own way. It's like both sides are being tested to see who the next guardian of the island will be.
This has been mentioned earlier in this thread and I just don't see it that way. Jacob has not killed anyone either directly or indirectly. On the contrary, Jacob brought Locke back to life after his father pushed him off the balcony, he cured Juliet's sister of cancer and apparently brought Dogen's son back to life in return for his service on the island. Jacob is recruiting candidates to take his place as protector of the island. MIB on the other hand has killed repeatedly as Smokey and manipulated Ben into murdering Jacob. Sayid made his pact with the devil last night and drowned Dogen.
I somewhat see Jacob as a warden of the prison that is the island to contain evil/MIB. My guess is MIB's "home" is simply the rest of the world where he will reek havoc if he can escape from the island. Needless to say Jacob has a lot of explaining to do to Jack assuming Jack accepts the role of protector.
Oh, and on a separate note: Why do you think Dogen sparred Sayid's life? Yes, I know his son's baseball rolled to the floor at that moment distracting Dogen but I still don't understand, knowing that Sayid had been taken by the darkness, why he didn't kill him.
This post was edited on 3/3/10 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:55 pm to Muppet
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I got the impression that dogen knew sayid could not kill mib, so it was his only strategy left for sending sayid to his death. Maybe he didn't anticipate his plan backfiring on him.
Again I think this pertains of the "rules" to the game that have not been fully explained. Dogen said to Sayid something like: "you let him talk to you first didn't you", or something like that. Presumedly if Sayid had stabbed Flocke before Flocke spoke to him it might have killed him. But it would seem the odds of moving to someone and stabbing them with a knife before they could say as single word is slim at best; Dodgen knew that Sayid would probably not be successful.
This post was edited on 3/3/10 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/3/10 at 12:58 pm to davesdawgs
And therein lies the problem. The tendency of everyone on the island to be as ambiguous in their speech as possible to lengthen the season.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:03 pm to Muppet
Hey guys, what's going on in here?
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:15 pm to Muppet
quote:i don't see that as a problem. i think the vagueness and the resulting fan theories are what make the show great. the worst episodes are the ones that leave you with nothing to wonder about. take the foot statue for instance. do i want to know who built it? yes. do i want to know how it ties into the island's properties/origin? yes. am i glad i don't know yet? yes. i hope to find out when it's all said and done but even if they don't tell us, it will still be intriguing topic that people will talk about.
And therein lies the problem.
i'm not into mind numbing tv. this show keeps you on your toes and thinking. it's the only show that i know what day and time it comes on because i'm anticipating it all week. my only regret about this show is that it won't last until football season.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:20 pm to hashtag
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Because of this, I think that "Shepard-23" refers to Christian.
I was actually thinking the same thing.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:23 pm to theunknownknight
which Kwon is the candidate Kwon? Sun or Jin? there seems to be only one Kwon on the cave wall and the lighthouse dial. i'm not familiar with japanese name transfers after marriage but i thought their family name traditional comes first (maybe that's only Chinese). does the wife take the husband's name like we do?
This post was edited on 3/3/10 at 1:25 pm
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