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re: LOST S06E06 - Sundown
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:26 pm to davesdawgs
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:26 pm to davesdawgs
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This is why I think jumping on the MIB bandwagon saying "hell yea" he wants to get off the island seems suspect; again what does Sawyer really have to look forward to off the island. I tend agree with what others here have said that Sawyer is just playing along with Flocke to see where it leads.
Remember the Rules of the con, echoed by Sawyer himself:
The best way to con someone is to make them believe they are making the choices. Right now, Sawyer has the MIB believing he is making the choices.
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:30 pm to manwich
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which Kwon is the candidate Kwon? Sun or Jin? there seems to be only one Kwon on the cave wall and the lighthouse dial. i'm not familiar with japanese name transfers after marriage but i thought their family name traditional comes first (maybe that's only Chinese). does the wife take the husband's name like we do?
Typically it would be the male...but with this show you never know. It could be the daughter of the island.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:47 pm to theunknownknight
Aaron and Kwon girl = Adam and Eve.
book it
book it
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:47 pm to manwich
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And therein lies the problem.
i don't see that as a problem. i think the vagueness and the resulting fan theories are what make the show great. the worst episodes are the ones that leave you with nothing to wonder about. take the foot statue for instance. do i want to know who built it? yes. do i want to know how it ties into the island's properties/origin? yes. am i glad i don't know yet? yes. i hope to find out when it's all said and done but even if they don't tell us, it will still be intriguing topic that people will talk about.
i'm not into mind numbing tv. this show keeps you on your toes and thinking. it's the only show that i know what day and time it comes on because i'm anticipating it all week. my only regret about this show is that it won't last until football season.
That sums it up for me. The questions/intrigue keeps it interesting but what really does it for me is the intricate relationship and interaction among the characters. Like you, anything that gets me through until the next football season is gravy. :)
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:48 pm to Doc Lou
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2) Claire (who I guess died during child birth?) seems pretty convinced that the others have her baby.
...What? Claire had Aaron for over 2 months, and Kate delivered Aaron. If she "died" anywhere, it would probably be when Keamy's mercenaries blew up the Barracks. Plus the Others took her in after she started killing them, but she escaped.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:48 pm to Doc Lou
I noticed that Claire seemed shocked when Kate told her that she raised Aaron. I am curious to see if maybe MIB told Claire that Aaron was with the people at the Temple and also promised Claire that she will get to see or be with her son if she obeys him. This could explain the shock in Claire's face when she realized that MIB has possibly been lying to her all along.
In regards to the baseball, I believe Dogen mentioned that he was picking up his son from baseball practice so the baseball would remind him of his son.
Just thought I would continue the brainstorming.
In regards to the baseball, I believe Dogen mentioned that he was picking up his son from baseball practice so the baseball would remind him of his son.
Just thought I would continue the brainstorming.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 1:55 pm to manwich
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which Kwon is the candidate Kwon? Sun or Jin? there seems to be only one Kwon on the cave wall and the lighthouse dial. i'm not familiar with japanese name transfers after marriage but i thought their family name traditional comes first (maybe that's only Chinese). does the wife take the husband's name like we do?
I know Chinese does it this way, but I'm not sure about Korean.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:01 pm to OMLandshark
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Korean women do not change their names upon marriage. By name alone, a woman cannot be identified as someone's wife. Neither are they addressed in a fashion similar to 'Mrs. (Husband's family name)'. They are simply addressed by their family name; however, it is more specifically 'wife of (husband's family name)' or '(child's name)'s mom', when the relation has to be known. Women emigrating to cultures where it is customary to take on their husband's names may choose not to change, especially if they are professionals. However, they may let themselves be addressed as 'Mrs. (husband's family name)' in addition to, for example, 'Dr. (her maiden name)'.
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:05 pm to davesdawgs
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Oh, and on a separate note: Why do you think Dogen sparred Sayid's life? Yes, I know his son's baseball rolled to the floor at that moment distracting Dogen but I still don't understand, knowing that Sayid had been taken by the darkness, why he didn't kill him.
Maybe because he realized that the last time he killed someone with his "own hands" it was his son.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:08 pm to etm512
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Oh, and on a separate note: Why do you think Dogen sparred Sayid's life? Yes, I know his son's baseball rolled to the floor at that moment distracting Dogen but I still don't understand, knowing that Sayid had been taken by the darkness, why he didn't kill him.
I believe that Dogan really tried to kill Sayid but he couldn't...most likely because Sayid is/was still a candidate.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:10 pm to etm512
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Oh, and on a separate note: Why do you think Dogen sparred Sayid's life? Yes, I know his son's baseball rolled to the floor at that moment distracting Dogen but I still don't understand, knowing that Sayid had been taken by the darkness, why he didn't kill him.
Maybe because he realized that the last time he killed someone with his "own hands" it was his son.
Good insight. I can accept that as a reasonable explanation.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:10 pm to etm512
Sawyer conning MIB would make sense, but I have a tough time believing he could pull that off. MIB is supernatural and can basically read mines. It would be like conning Satan (literally), which seems impossible.
And for those still stating that MIB might be good and Jacob bad, I don't think you can make any argument for MIB being anything but evil. The jury is still out some on Jacob (who I think is good), but MIB is definitely not the "good guy"
And for those still stating that MIB might be good and Jacob bad, I don't think you can make any argument for MIB being anything but evil. The jury is still out some on Jacob (who I think is good), but MIB is definitely not the "good guy"
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:10 pm to etm512
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Oh, and on a separate note: Why do you think Dogen sparred Sayid's life? Yes, I know his son's baseball rolled to the floor at that moment distracting Dogen but I still don't understand, knowing that Sayid had been taken by the darkness, why he didn't kill him.
Because Sayid is a candidate. The candidate's numbers all equal 108. The baseball is symbolic of this; there are 108 stiches on a baseball. The baseball story just gives justification for the symbol. Dogen can't kill a candidate, hence why he's tried to get Jack and MIB to do it for him.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:13 pm to lsumatt
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Sawyer conning MIB would make sense, but I have a tough time believing he could pull that off. MIB is supernatural and can basically read mines. It would be like conning Satan (literally), which seems impossible.
Oh MIB certainly knows that Sawyer is trying to con him, but I think he thinks that Sawyer can do nothing to hinder him and only assist him, and overtime he will corrupt him.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:16 pm to Decatur
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I believe that Dogan really tried to kill Sayid but he couldn't...most likely because Sayid is/was still a candidate.
Quite possible. Dodgen tried to get Jack to poison Sayid apparently because Dodgen could not do it directly himself. I guess I was thinking that since Sayid had succumbed to the darkness he was vulnerable but in hindsight at that point he was considered MIB's recruit and still could not be killed directly. It is a bit of a quandary. It might be that Dogen really was serving in Jacob's role as protector as some here have suggested.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:20 pm to OMLandshark
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Sawyer conning MIB would make sense, but I have a tough time believing he could pull that off. MIB is supernatural and can basically read mines. It would be like conning Satan (literally), which seems impossible.
Oh MIB certainly knows that Sawyer is trying to con him, but I think he thinks that Sawyer can do nothing to hinder him and only assist him, and overtime he will corrupt him.
Yep, it might be analogous to Sayid telling Dodgen: you don't know me, I am a good man; at this point I think it is pretty clear that Sayid has succumbed to the darkness. In like manner, Sawyer may be confident that he can play along and not be conned by Flocke. Whether this is how it turns our remains to be seen.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:27 pm to Decatur
quote:yet her name is Sun-Hwa Kwon and his is Jin-Soo Kwon. possibly a mistake or just written in for convenience since many asian cultures have certain last names that are extremely common (Chin, Nguyen, etc.)
Korean women do not change their names upon marriage. By name alone, a woman cannot be identified as someone's wife.
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:30 pm to Oizers
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In regards to the baseball, I believe Dogen mentioned that he was picking up his son from baseball practice so the baseball would remind him of his son.
Yeah I think that the baseball dropping just reminded him of his son for a brief second causing him to think about if he really wanted to be the person capable of killing another, which would possibly tip his scale more toward the black stone.
A couple episodes ago it was implied that the baseball had significant meaning to the story that we are seeing unfold but we found out @ the end of this episode that it is significant to Dogen, not necessarily the big picture (although it could very well be some sort of Easter Egg...ala 108 stitches symbolizing the chosen ones/numbers).
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:39 pm to manwich
Sun's family name is Paik, though.
Her name would actually be Paik Sun-Hwa, since the surname comes first. It's reversed for westernization.
I'm not sure why she calls herself Kwon, unless it's symbolic of her separating herself from her father.
ETA: I think the candidate is their child. When Jacob appeared at their wedding he encouraged them, as if he wanted them to start a family. Then he cured Jin's infertility...
Her name would actually be Paik Sun-Hwa, since the surname comes first. It's reversed for westernization.
I'm not sure why she calls herself Kwon, unless it's symbolic of her separating herself from her father.
ETA: I think the candidate is their child. When Jacob appeared at their wedding he encouraged them, as if he wanted them to start a family. Then he cured Jin's infertility...
This post was edited on 3/3/10 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 3/3/10 at 2:47 pm to Muppet
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ETA: I think the candidate is their child. When Jacob appeared at their wedding he encouraged them, as if he wanted them to start a family. Then he cured Jin's infertility...
Jin's infertility was tested after they were married. However, Jacob may have brought them to the island with the specific intent of them having a child because the island was the only place where it would be possible.
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