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re: Memento
Posted on 4/13/09 at 2:45 pm to blueslover
Posted on 4/13/09 at 2:45 pm to blueslover
Also curious about the plot hole.
Took me a few times to get 99% of it, but what throws me off still is a brief scene towards the end, when he's thinking about his wife, where he is lying in bed with her, but he still has all of the tattoos.
Been a while since I've seen it, but was the implication that she was never really killed?
Took me a few times to get 99% of it, but what throws me off still is a brief scene towards the end, when he's thinking about his wife, where he is lying in bed with her, but he still has all of the tattoos.
Been a while since I've seen it, but was the implication that she was never really killed?
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Posted on 4/13/09 at 3:04 pm to blueslover
quote:
Many medical experts have cited Memento as one of the most realistic and accurate depictions of anterograde amnesia in any motion picture. Caltech neuroscientist Christof Koch called Memento "the most accurate portrayal of the different memory systems in the popular media,"[47] while physician Esther M. Sternberg, Director of the Integrative Neural Immune Program at the National Institute of Mental Health identified the film as "close to a perfect exploration of the neurobiology of memory."[48] Writing in the journal Science, Sternberg concludes: "This thought-provoking thriller is the kind of movie that keeps reverberating in the viewer's mind, and each iteration makes one examine preconceived notions in a different light. Memento is a movie for anyone interested in the workings of memory and, indeed, in what it is that makes our own reality."[49]
Wow. I just like the movie. I figured it was all BS, like most amnesia movies. Apparently Nolan did his homework. Thanks for posting this.
This post was edited on 4/13/09 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 4/13/09 at 3:17 pm to THRILLHO
quote:
Been a while since I've seen it, but was the implication that she was never really killed?
Spoiler
Well from my understanding, she didn't die from the break in, but she let him OD her with her injections (which he remembers as sammy jankis).
Posted on 4/13/09 at 3:38 pm to ctalati32
spoiler
agree, that's how I also translated it. That he transposed his experience to an imaginary Sammy Jenkins.
There is some kinda interesting additional extras on the DVD that clarify some too. He was a patient in a mental institution for some time before getting out to search for his wife.
The late scenes with his wife show his confusion and how even his long term memory has been affected. As thinking, was I pinching her leg or was I giving her an injection?
Posted on 4/13/09 at 3:50 pm to blueslover
started out slow for me and just thought it was average. picked up in the middle and got HOOKED. I'm still confused.
SPOILER QUESTIONS
Did Teddy rape and kill his wife?
Was Sammy real?
Was he in fact Sammy?
Was he just lying to himself?
SPOILER QUESTIONS
Did Teddy rape and kill his wife?
Was Sammy real?
Was he in fact Sammy?
Was he just lying to himself?
Posted on 4/13/09 at 4:04 pm to Acreboy
quote:No
Did Teddy rape and kill his wife?
quote:
Was Sammy real?
No
quote:Yes, sort of.
Was he in fact Sammy?
quote:Not really, he believed it to be true. Wait a minute... I just had a thought. There is a moment toward the end of the film where he has the correct information in his head and has the ability to make the correct decision, but he basically just says "Nah, frick it." And chooses not to continue to remind himself of that important information. That could be seen as him lying to himself.
Was he just lying to himself?
This post was edited on 4/13/09 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 4/13/09 at 4:09 pm to tuck
quote:like he believed Sammy was lying when he looked into his eyes. he believed Sammy was lying to himself (and to the doctors).
Not really, he believed it to be true. Wait a minute... I just had a thought. There is a moment toward the end of the film where he has the correct information in his head and has the ability to make the correct decision, but he basically just says "Nah, frick it." And chooses not to continue to remind himself of that important information. That could be seen as him lying to himself.
Posted on 4/13/09 at 4:15 pm to tuck
SPOILIERS
Technically, Sammy was real, but they said he proved him to be a faker. He just forced himself to believe that his story was actually Sammy's so he would have something to live for. You know the memory by repetition part? He's said it so many times that he starts to believe it's true. That's how I understood it anyway.
And the plot hole that they're referring to is the fact that Leonard can remember the fact that he has a condition. He's not supposed to be able to keep new memories after the accident, but he's able to remember his condition. In reality, I'd imagine it be like 50 First Dates LOL. You know you wake up every day thinking it was the last day you can remember.
quote:
Was Sammy real?
No
Technically, Sammy was real, but they said he proved him to be a faker. He just forced himself to believe that his story was actually Sammy's so he would have something to live for. You know the memory by repetition part? He's said it so many times that he starts to believe it's true. That's how I understood it anyway.
And the plot hole that they're referring to is the fact that Leonard can remember the fact that he has a condition. He's not supposed to be able to keep new memories after the accident, but he's able to remember his condition. In reality, I'd imagine it be like 50 First Dates LOL. You know you wake up every day thinking it was the last day you can remember.
Posted on 4/13/09 at 7:03 pm to Mikes My Tiger
How can he remember his condition?
That would be the plot hole. And it's a big one.
That would be the plot hole. And it's a big one.
Posted on 4/13/09 at 7:15 pm to clooneyisgod
Did anyone else notice the part where they for a split second show him as Sammy Jinkens right after the person passes. It's like a split second flash of him in his clothes in the mental institution.
Posted on 4/13/09 at 7:24 pm to clooneyisgod
possible spoiler
it's not a complete plot hole, it turns out, through repetition, he can form new memories, i.e. how he convinced himself he was sammy jankis
quote:
How can he remember his condition?
That would be the plot hole. And it's a big one.
it's not a complete plot hole, it turns out, through repetition, he can form new memories, i.e. how he convinced himself he was sammy jankis
Posted on 4/14/09 at 12:07 am to ctalati32
SPOILER
The point of the movie is the ambiguity of memories. Its all set up when Leonard is talking about the unreliability of eyewitnesses and shite. The soliloquoy about the fact that memories are unreliable if you have the facts is the key to the movie.
quote:That's not a plot-hole, its one of the central themes of the movie. The whole Sammy Jenkis story was about whether he was physically injured or psychologically fricked up, and whether through repetition he could create new memories despite his condition. The entire point of the wife and the insulin injections was the thing about anterograde amnesia sufferers being able to condition themselves to perform certain tasks.
it's not a complete plot hole, it turns out, through repetition, he can form new memories, i.e. how he convinced himself he was sammy jankis
The point of the movie is the ambiguity of memories. Its all set up when Leonard is talking about the unreliability of eyewitnesses and shite. The soliloquoy about the fact that memories are unreliable if you have the facts is the key to the movie.
Posted on 4/14/09 at 1:01 am to ctalati32
There is a scene where he's with his wife but has all of the revenge tattoos. Always had a problem with that
Posted on 4/14/09 at 1:23 am to The Easter Bunny
quote:
There is a scene where he's with his wife but has all of the revenge tattoos. Always had a problem with that
I don't think it's particularly significant given that his mind is fricked up.
Posted on 4/14/09 at 7:05 am to The Easter Bunny
quote:
There is a scene where he's with his wife but has all of the revenge tattoos. Always had a problem with that
I'm not sure how much of that scene is real as in really happened or is his mind trying to figure things out.
Granted it's been a while since i've seen the movie.
Posted on 4/14/09 at 8:32 am to The Easter Bunny
quote:
There is a scene where he's with his wife but has all of the revenge tattoos.
Because he can't remember his body without them.
Posted on 4/14/09 at 10:22 am to coloradoBengal
I really have to watch this movie again. I remember really liking it, but I don't remember any of this stuff you guys are talking about. Kinda cool really. I get to watch a movie I know I like, and be surprised all over again. Getting old has its advantages. 
Posted on 4/14/09 at 1:36 pm to coloradoBengal
quote:
Because he can't remember his body without them.
Why not? I thought he could only not make new memories, not that he lost all of his old ones
Posted on 4/14/09 at 2:41 pm to The Easter Bunny
quote:I thought he had long term (or even total) memory loss and could only make new memories through repetition?
Why not? I thought he could only not make new memories, not that he lost all of his old ones
Posted on 4/19/09 at 7:39 am to coloradoBengal
I'm gonna have to watch this movie again. I watched it once, remember liking it, but also not really knowing what just happened.
I took it as Teddy actually was his friend and Leonard didn't know it. And he even told him in the "beginning" that his real name was "John G." knowing full well that he wrot things down to remember and could have easily written this down, b/c he was looking for a "John G."
I got that b/c he told him that psycho chick was setting him up and to stay away, and she really was. But at that point, he already didn't trust Teddy.
It was a while back. I'll have to watch it again. It was difficult to piece together after only one viewing.
I took it as Teddy actually was his friend and Leonard didn't know it. And he even told him in the "beginning" that his real name was "John G." knowing full well that he wrot things down to remember and could have easily written this down, b/c he was looking for a "John G."
I got that b/c he told him that psycho chick was setting him up and to stay away, and she really was. But at that point, he already didn't trust Teddy.
It was a while back. I'll have to watch it again. It was difficult to piece together after only one viewing.
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