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re: Mr Robot
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:42 pm to blackinthesaddle
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:42 pm to blackinthesaddle
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The show consistently wastes your time as a viewer by extending mundane things; like holding a shot well beyond when any action or dialog has finished, actions and side quests that do not move the plot forward but merely act as filler, and extended intros and outros. Time is a precious commodity and when the audiences time is being wasted in these ways, it shows a lack of respect for you as a customer.
I think you are really shortchanging the entire style of the show and stripping it down. You could do that with a lot of prestige dramas. Part of the greatness of the show is exactly what you dont care for.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 6:31 pm to jkylejohnson
I really enjoyed it. Has some episodes in season 3 where wheels got wobbly and off track but they managed to pull it back in.
Posted on 2/6/21 at 4:13 pm to Tridentds
Spoiler (sort of, just in case)...
So it was finally put on Prime (season 4) for free with the rest of the series. I just finished it and I thought the ending was really good. I understand it, at least on the surface but I feel like now I'm gonna have to rewatch the whole thing now that I know the ending and what I thought I understood probably isn't even right. I feel like rewatching it will completely change my perception of it I had the first time around, as far as what's going on. Definitely one of the shows that makes you sad when it ends and comes full circle.
Anyone have any good interpretations/theories (or links to some) that they would like to share? With a spoiler tag of course.
So it was finally put on Prime (season 4) for free with the rest of the series. I just finished it and I thought the ending was really good. I understand it, at least on the surface but I feel like now I'm gonna have to rewatch the whole thing now that I know the ending and what I thought I understood probably isn't even right. I feel like rewatching it will completely change my perception of it I had the first time around, as far as what's going on. Definitely one of the shows that makes you sad when it ends and comes full circle.
Anyone have any good interpretations/theories (or links to some) that they would like to share? With a spoiler tag of course.
Posted on 2/6/21 at 5:38 pm to jkylejohnson
Great show. Season 2 can drag a bit, but it’s definitely worth it to keep going
Posted on 2/6/21 at 6:14 pm to blackinthesaddle
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but if you really break it down, you've wasted 45-60 minutes because the actual plot is about your average 23 minute House/Sherlock-style "super smart" guy overcoming obstacles.
Such a lazy take. It's a visual medium for telling a story. The director and writers SHOULD be spending extra time taking advantage of the affordances that come with film.
I'm sure you feel The Mandalorian has a lot of wasted time as well.
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Time is a precious commodity and when the audiences time is being wasted in these ways, it shows a lack of respect for you as a customer.
Jesus Christ. Customer? Can a show not be appreciated as art?
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This is every primary and secondary character's motive and it becomes extremely tedious if you binge watch.
Nah. I binged every season.
Posted on 2/6/21 at 7:44 pm to BorrisMart
SPOILERS BUT HOPEFULLY NOT REALLY BUT SPOILERS
I’m not sure the ending lent itself to theories. I think that’s why I loved it. It explained that everything in the show happened to protect Elliot and the character that was protecting him was no longer needed. It was the fresh start he deserved since his childhood trauma, and he no longer needed us to see his story.
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Anyone have any good interpretations/theories (or links to some) that they would like to share? With a spoiler tag of course.
I’m not sure the ending lent itself to theories. I think that’s why I loved it. It explained that everything in the show happened to protect Elliot and the character that was protecting him was no longer needed. It was the fresh start he deserved since his childhood trauma, and he no longer needed us to see his story.
Posted on 2/6/21 at 8:46 pm to StringedInstruments
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StringedInstruments
ahh gotcha. With shows like these I always try to form my own interpretation and then see what others perceived and read up on different theories. I agree, it may not really "lend itself to theories" but with a show this convoluted and interweaved I bet there are still some interesting interpretations. I think once I rewatch knowing the end a lot of the seemingly "off the wall" and "random" scenes from earlier seasons might make more sense. I'll restart it soon. Overall, I am very impressed with USA for green lighting a show this well put together. Not they haven't before, but it felt more like an HBO series imo (not that that makes too much difference, it just felt much more akin to HBO series that I have seen).
This post was edited on 2/6/21 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:04 pm to blackinthesaddle
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The razzle dazzle of the cinematography and editing of this show makes it feel like you're watching something interesting and unique, but if you really break it down, you've wasted 45-60 minutes because the actual plot is about your average 23 minute House/Sherlock-style "super smart" guy overcoming obstacles.
It is interesting and unique.. the cinematography is fantastic as are the acting and the writing. Have you even seen the full series? Because you’re acting like it’s some kind of procedural, which is absurd.
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The show consistently wastes your time as a viewer by extending mundane things; like holding a shot well beyond when any action or dialog has finished, actions and side quests that do not move the plot forward but merely act as filler, and extended intros and outros.
“The show constantly wastes your time by building tension and developing characters.”
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Time is a precious commodity and when the audiences time is being wasted in these ways, it shows a lack of respect for you as a customer.
Good lord. When you decide to read a novel, do go straight to the cliff notes?
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Edited to add that much like House and Sherlock, one can think "if I lacked emotion and empathy, what is the most sociopathic solution to this problem?" This is every primary and secondary character's motive and it becomes extremely tedious if you binge watch.
This tells me that every character’s arc went entirely over your head. Because needling down to their motivations and values is a major part of the show’s premise.
Possible spoiler ahead, but only if you know absolutely nothing about the show and haven’t seen the first season.
One of my favorite moments in Mr. Robot is in the first season, when they reveal Elliot’s “condition” explicitly for the first time. The soundtrack shifts to an instrumental version of “Where Is My Mind” by the Pixies, in an homage to the obvious similarities with the “holy shite” moment from Fight Club. It’s subdued enough to not be obvious, but I feel like any fan of Fight Club recognizes that melody immediately.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 6:03 pm to lostinbr
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One of my favorite moments in Mr. Robot is in the first season, when they reveal Elliot’s “condition” explicitly for the first time. The soundtrack shifts to an instrumental version of “Where Is My Mind” by the Pixies, in an homage to the obvious similarities with the “holy shite” moment from Fight Club. It’s subdued enough to not be obvious, but I feel like any fan of Fight Club recognizes that melody immediately.
More lightweight spoilers (sorta):
Oh definitely, I feel like the whole Fight club thing was a huge inspiration on the basic plot. Atleast for the beginning. The soundtrack though was killer. Almost better than the Departed soundtrack, but my stereo has no balls.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 2/8/21 at 11:37 am to StringedInstruments
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Such a lazy take. It's a visual medium for telling a story. The director and writers SHOULD be spending extra time taking advantage of the affordances that come with film. I'm sure you feel The Mandalorian has a lot of wasted time as well.
Ultimately, it's a visual medium for telling a story. The story is the most important aspect not the visuals. The visuals should serve to enhance elements of the story. If a person likes cool stylistic visuals and doesn't care about story, they would be better served watching something else in my opinion.
And yes, whole episodes of the Mandalorian are unnecessary to the plot or character development. Every time a "filler" episode airs, even fans of the series get annoyed and flock to say stuff like "not a lot happened".
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Jesus Christ. Customer? Can a show not be appreciated as art?
Paying for cable makes you a customer. Watching an ad makes you a customer. These are not art house projects, these are commodities for inducing viewers to make purchases. So, yes, customer is the correct descriptor. Can shows be artistic? Sure. Is Mr. Robot? It depends on the individual's ideals on what constitutes "art" and what the role of "art" even is.
I watched 3 seasons, towards the end, I could check in and out for minutes at a time and lose nothing of import. That's when I decided to stop watching it. It's a show designed for those who just need background noise and it "feels" smarter than it actually is because of its slick production values. Again, in my opinion.
Posted on 2/8/21 at 11:55 am to lostinbr
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Have you even seen the full series? Because you’re acting like it’s some kind of procedural, which is absurd.
3 Seasons. In a sense it is a procedural: Oh no, X is a threat, mystery box, plan Y failed, rush to fix, oh no, Z is a threat, mystery box, plan Alpha initiated, rush to fix, oh no... rinse and repeat.
Here, I'll do House: Oh no patient collapsed, "it's not Lupus" (later a "joke" but still somehow milking the Lupus thing), try dangerous procedure X, oh no patient's liver failing, taunt someone, illegally search patient's home, oh no patient has nose bleed, try dangerous procedure Y, patient stopped breathing, taunt someone and be addict, Oh snap! got the answer from some mundane word or action from taunt victim, resolve patient dilemma "man, I'm so smart, you dumb", hobble off smugly.
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“The show constantly wastes your time by building tension and developing characters.”
Paraphrasing does not go in quotes and you are being purposefully obtuse.
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Good lord. When you decide to read a novel, do go straight to the cliff notes?
If a book noticeably meanders and doesn't push the plot forward, I close it and stop reading it. Just like with a show.
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an homage to the obvious similarities with the “holy shite” moment from Fight Club
Ripping off the split-mind as a plot twist is not an homage.
Posted on 2/8/21 at 11:58 am to BlacknGold
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prestige dramas
Does that mean long and drawn out?
Some people like to go to a hooker to get teased. I get it, I just don't like it.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 4:36 pm to blackinthesaddle
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Here, I'll do House: Oh no patient collapsed, "it's not Lupus" (later a "joke" but still somehow milking the Lupus thing), try dangerous procedure X, oh no patient's liver failing, taunt someone, illegally search patient's home, oh no patient has nose bleed, try dangerous procedure Y, patient stopped breathing, taunt someone and be addict, Oh snap! got the answer from some mundane word or action from taunt victim, resolve patient dilemma "man, I'm so smart, you dumb", hobble off smugly.
I can do house. Anybody can do house.
Mr. Robot and House are very different (though both great)
Posted on 1/28/22 at 4:48 pm to brewhan davey
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It's been a while since I've watched the show, but I remember it definitely did not lose any momentum. It was pretty great from start to finish.
It is one of the best shows of recent years imo. There is a season where it gets repetitive and sort of drawn out (either 2 or 3 idr). But all these threads are making me want to do a full rewatch.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:26 pm to blackinthesaddle
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The razzle dazzle of the cinematography and editing of this show makes it feel like you're watching something interesting and unique, but if you really break it down, you've wasted 45-60 minutes because the actual plot is about your average 23 minute House/Sherlock-style "super smart" guy overcoming obstacles.
The show consistently wastes your time as a viewer by extending mundane things; like holding a shot well beyond when any action or dialog has finished, actions and side quests that do not move the plot forward but merely act as filler, and extended intros and outros. Time is a precious commodity and when the audiences time is being wasted in these ways, it shows a lack of respect for you as a customer.
Edited to add that much like House and Sherlock, one can think "if I lacked emotion and empathy, what is the most sociopathic solution to this problem?" This is every primary and secondary character's motive and it becomes extremely tedious if you binge watch.
Elliott Alderson and Gregory House are nothing alike, bro.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:38 pm to MidnightVibe
Solid bump. I’m due for a rewatch.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:38 pm to MidnightVibe
Really weird bump dude.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:57 pm to TigerDeacon
I really enjoyed it, but there were times when they seemed to play the "split" shtick as plot armor. Also, the failed romantic relationship of two of the main leads resulted in the waste of a good character.
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