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re: No Survivor Thread? OFFICIAL SURVIVOR THREAD!!1!
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:46 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:46 am to Tiger Voodoo
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But in the game I do think that is leveled quite a bit. Look at players like Parvati, Sandra, Jenna etc. They are as “cutthroat” as anyone yet widely loved. Russell on the other hand is one of the most reviled, and apparently Ben felt just as ill received.
A lot of it just comes down to personality.
Not sure Sandra is widely loved. Just scroll back in this thread on all the negative comments about her. And from my recollection Russell was pretty popular his first season, at least with the fans. The players all hated him though, so I don't completely disagree with your point. He lost some favor with the fans in his second season. But I'll also bring up Boston Rob. He's probably one of the most loved among the fans, and players alike. But his personality can come across as arrogant and brash a little bit. Sophie showed some of that same arrogance and brashness in her season and was trashed by fans.
It's a mixed bag really. I don't fully agree with Sarah's position, but I can appreciate it and I'm willing to take a step back and listen to what she is saying. The dismissive comments(not from you) in this thread just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I think her concerns had some merit, but we can certainly point to some examples in the game that counter it.
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:52 am to The Spleen
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It's a mixed bag really. I don't fully agree with Sarah's position, but I can appreciate it and I'm willing to take a step back and listen to what she is saying. The dismissive comments(not from you) in this thread just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I think her concerns had some merit, but we can certainly point to some examples in the game that counter it.
Sorry, I didn't feel her comments were warranted. This is a game. I'm not saying she was wrong but I don't feel it was necessary. I personally liked Sarah and would've had no issue with her making the final if she would've beat Tony.
And frick Sandra, the self appointed "queen"
. If she is so damn good, she wouldn't have left after being voted out. She knew she had absolutely no chance to get back in the game. This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:02 am to The Spleen
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Not sure Sandra is widely loved.
I don't think she is. I think she's considered fairly overrated... and she was on the 'villains' tribe after all for her second win.
She wasn't the best player on any season that she has been on, she just had enough votes at the end.
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And from my recollection Russell was pretty popular his first season, at least with the fans.
I think the fans have always enjoyed Russell and respected his game, even his second season... but players never liked the guy. His third season, the first with new players that had watched him before, they were hellbent on getting him out ASAP.
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But I'll also bring up Boston Rob. He's probably one of the most loved among the fans, and players alike.
He also was cast as a villain (so was Tyson) back then... but I think both of those guys have matured a lot and have won over fans and other players.
Honestly I think one of the best examples of what Sarah was saying is a very bitter jury snubbing Aubry in favor of Michele. Aubry was almost certainly the better player that season, but she was kind of a smug bitch and everyone liked Michele. It doesn't resonate as much because a female still won, but had they snubbed Aubry for an undeserving dude...
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:24 am to LSUBoo
boston rob is my guy. the younger players didn't respond very well to his buddy system 
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:28 am to LSUBoo
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:38 am to DivotBreath
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Judging from the reactions, I have a different view on the the format. Most that have posted since last night are critical of Natalie being able to come back from EoE with advantages or that she shouldn’t be allowed back in the game once she was voted out. My take on it though is that the EoE was always part of the game.
I completely agree that it's a part of the game, and everyone knows that it's a part of the game. My disagreement comes with when they utilize it. When you bring someone back with six people left and they have an idol or advantage, they make the top 5. I would prefer they bring them back either at the merge or with 8 or 9 left so there's time for gameplay. This could help with their argument at the end as well.
I do think the addition of sending items to the game for fire tokens made this EOE season different than the last one. They were actually competing for the majority of the game.
However, I do think that giving the first person voted out a chance to earn more fire tokens than people who lasted longer in the game is an unfair advantage. For players like Nick and Jeremy who were on Extinction for a couple of days, they are left at a disadvantage for staying in the game longer than Natalie or Amber.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:42 am to LSUBoo
I'll close my comments on Sarah with this. I think she was very well liked by the players she played with, especially this season. I think this season was abnormal in that everyone seemed to get along and respect one another, other than Ben's feelings towards Jeremy. So I think bringing up likeness within the game is confusing the point I thought she made, and that was how she was perceived by the fans. Of course she confused it herself by comparing that with how the jury perceived Tony's game, so the confusion is fair. I just think she had a lot of unresolved feelings for some hate she got from fans after her winning season, and she felt her and Tony played very similar games. So the adoration Natalie said the jury had for him rattled her, and she reacted emotionally at tribal over it. I think her exit after losing the fire challenge to Tony showed how much the players this season loved and respected her.
I think there are likely several examples of the gender bias she mentioned throughout the history of this show. But there are also several examples that refute it. Which is what makes this show so great because it is a microcosm of society as a whole. I'm glad she brought it up, and it has spurned several pages of discussion on it, and it is fine that there is disagreement on it. That is also a reflection of society as a whole.
I think there are likely several examples of the gender bias she mentioned throughout the history of this show. But there are also several examples that refute it. Which is what makes this show so great because it is a microcosm of society as a whole. I'm glad she brought it up, and it has spurned several pages of discussion on it, and it is fine that there is disagreement on it. That is also a reflection of society as a whole.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:08 am to Captain Want
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Getting to the end and having the votes to win makes her the best player on both seasons she won. Her strategy worked twice. I still can't believe she won a second time.
It makes her the best player that was eligible to receive votes to win, and that was quite debateable for her second win.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:15 am to The Spleen
I watched an interview with Ben. He said he approached Jeremy on the beach at the very beginning. And talked with him about a potential alliance. When he turned his back to leave he turned back around and Jeremy was making signals to the camera guy, like "who is this guy".
Kind of burned a bridge there with Ben, can't really blame him. Jeremy was just an all around jerk.
Kind of burned a bridge there with Ben, can't really blame him. Jeremy was just an all around jerk.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:16 am to LSUBoo
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It makes her the best player that was eligible to receive votes to win, and that was quite debateable for her second win.
Correct and it's not like she was a juggernaut the first season she won. More luck than anything
Sometimes that's all that is needed though.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:42 am to WuShock
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However, I do think that giving the first person voted out a chance to earn more fire tokens than people who lasted longer in the game is an unfair advantage. For players like Nick and Jeremy who were on Extinction for a couple of days, they are left at a disadvantage for staying in the game longer than Natalie or Amber.
True that they had more chances, but they also had longer to spend the fire tokens for food . . . Natalie just saved her tokens until the end and suffered very little food for a long time (that was a massive jar of peanut butter she had bought, but that was after her spending spree on other stuff I believe). Also, she dominated some pretty stiff competition to earn those tokens and both the coconut and log challenge looked to be more demanding then any Survivor challenge in recent history — she won both.
Natalie also beat Tony when it came time to find an idol to make it to the final four. Tony thought he was the best at finding idols and she topped him when it mattered. Otherwise, she was gone instead of Ben.
I’m really not “knighting” for Natalie as I think Tony is well deserving himself. I just think most on here have not given EoE the credit it deserves as still being a part of the game. I would have been fine with Natalie winning as I think she equally deserved the win.
Where Tony really won it with the jury is that they found his personality to be much more enjoyable. The guy is just funny. The jury was freezing their arse off sitting there in the rain and Tony was cracking them up with his answers.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:44 am to LSUBoo
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Not sure Sandra is widely loved.
I don't think she is. I think she's considered fairly overrated... and she was on the 'villains' tribe after all for her second win.
I didn’t like her, but assumed she had more fans based on Survivors promoting her the past few seasons. Didn’t realize that wasn’t the case
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think the fans have always enjoyed Russell and respected his game, even his second season... but players never liked the guy. His third season, the first with new players that had watched him before, they were hellbent on getting him out ASAP.
I never liked him either, and I remember getting several comments asking is that how LA people are, and not in a good way, since I didn’t live in LA when his seasons aired.
Guess it’s anecdotal but I didn’t think he was well received other than someone fans maybe loved to hate.
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But I'll also bring up Boston Rob. He's probably one of the most loved among the fans, and players alike.
He also was cast as a villain (so was Tyson) back then... but I think both of those guys have matured a lot and have won over fans and other players.
Yeah Robb has changed a lot imo.
I wasn’t a huge fan of his at first but he’s grown on me for sure.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:50 am to jeffsdad
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watched an interview with Ben. He said he approached Jeremy on the beach at the very beginning. And talked with him about a potential alliance. When he turned his back to leave he turned back around and Jeremy was making signals to the camera guy, like "who is this guy".
Kind of burned a bridge there with Ben, can't really blame him. Jeremy was just an all around jerk.
I’ve never thought Jeremy was a jerk
I don’t think most players did either, as he was seen as a big threat if he got to jury.
An interview from Ben is obviously just his perspective.
What was his pitch?
If he approached Jeremy saying “Hey man we’ve got to get Rob out of here” I could certainly see Jeremy being like who is this guy does he not know me and Rob are tight???
Either way Ben is a weasley player and always has been. He himself said as much and that’s why he was trying to change his approach.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:11 pm to DivotBreath
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I’m really not “knighting” for Natalie as I think Tony is well deserving himself. I just think most on here have not given EoE the credit it deserves as still being a part of the game. I would have been fine with Natalie winning as I think she equally deserved the win.
I like Natalie, and I think she absolutely dominated the hand she was dealt with going to EoE. I would have a hard time being okay with the first person voted out of the game winning it in the end, but that's not her fault and she had a very strong case to win. But, had Tony lost the fire challenge to Sarah, I likely would have been okay with her winning. I think she had a better resume than Sarah and Michelle, despite her getting voted out first. As you said, she was in no way more deserving than Tony.
I don't like the EoE twist because it creates two separate games with completely different dynamics. This year's did include some new twists that let the players on EoE influence the game, but it also created a built-in advantage for Natalie to accumulate fire tokens. The counter to that is she had to endure on EoE for many more days, which by all accounts was a tougher place to survive than the regular island.
If they decide to use EoE again, I hope there is just one battle back competition, and it's done at the merge. I really hope they just scrap it altogether.
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Where Tony really won it with the jury is that they found his personality to be much more enjoyable. The guy is just funny. The jury was freezing their arse off sitting there in the rain and Tony was cracking them up with his answers.
I think he had it pretty much wrapped up before the final tribal, and that just solidified it. I wasn't at all surprised to see Natalie get 4 votes though. I actually thought she'd get a couple more than that.
I'll echo was someone else said several posts ago that I was sad for Michelle that she didn't get a single vote. I understand why she didn't, but it would have been nice for her to get some recognition for how well she played. Surviving 15 of the 19 tribal councils, and pulling off two clutch immunity challenge wins when she was likely getting voted off was impressive. Not to mention her seeing the Tony, Sarah, Ben alliance before anyone else did. Had Nick not been an idiot, she might have been able to win the thing.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:41 pm to The Spleen
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would have a hard time being okay with the first person voted out of the game winning it in the end, but that's not her fault and she had a very strong case to win. But, had Tony lost the fire challenge to Sarah, I likely would have been okay with her winning. I think she had a better resume than Sarah and Michelle, despite her getting voted out first. As you said, she was in no way more deserving than Tony.
Yeah I agree. Often the first voted out is just bad luck. Even more so than the next several after that.
She didn’t do anything wrong, it was just kind of the way the numbers lined up.
Especially in a vets season, with so many preexisting relationships, it really was just kind of random that she was the one they picked.
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don't like the EoE twist because it creates two separate games with completely different dynamics.
Yeah that’s definitely true.
It’s why I was ok with her going to FTC. She really did dominate that part of the game.
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they decide to use EoE again, I hope there is just one battle back competition, and it's done at the merge. I really hope they just scrap it altogether.
Agreed.
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I think he had it pretty much wrapped up before the final tribal, and that just solidified it.
Yeah, the way he had the jury laughing with him during multiple of his responses once he got going made it pretty obvious to me they were bought in to his game. He had them eating out of his hand.
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Surviving 15 of the 19 tribal councils, and pulling off two clutch immunity challenge wins when she was likely getting voted off was impressive.
Yep, she has no reason to hang her head imo
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Yeah, the way he had the jury laughing with him during multiple of his responses once he got going made it pretty obvious to me they were bought in to his game. He had them eating out of his hand.
He sure did but I was still a little worried Natalie would pull it off.
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Yep, she has no reason to hang her head imo
While she "survived" with some timely IC wins, she really didn't do anything else. Just my opinion but she did play well at the very end. Natalie probably should have had her go against Tony.
I will say when Rob asked Natalie why she didn't go against Tony in the fire challenge, she gave a very weak answer.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:54 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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think the fans have always enjoyed Russell and respected his game, even his second season... but players never liked the guy. His third season, the first with new players that had watched him before, they were hellbent on getting him out ASAP.
I never liked him either, and I remember getting several comments asking is that how LA people are, and not in a good way, since I didn’t live in LA when his seasons aired.
Guess it’s anecdotal but I didn’t think he was well received other than someone fans maybe loved to hate.
He did win the "Sprint Player Of The Season" award that was fan voted in both of his first two seasons... even beating out Rupert the second time. I'm sure a lot of it was that he was a true villain and people loved to hate him, but he definitely resonated with the fans.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:58 pm to DemonKA3268
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I will say when Rob asked Natalie why she didn't go against Tony in the fire challenge, she gave a very weak answer.
Yeah, but she couldn't really tell the truth... which is that 2nd place pays out better than 4th.
Now, there's a slim chance that she beats Tony and wins the game, but I think Sarah still takes it and Natalie finishes 2nd regardless. If she loses to Tony, 4th place it is.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:04 pm to LSUBoo
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Yeah, but she couldn't really tell the truth... which is that 2nd place pays out better than 4th. Now, there's a slim chance that she beats Tony and wins the game, but I think Sarah still takes it and Natalie finishes 2nd regardless. If she loses to Tony, 4th place it is.
Good point
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:09 pm to DemonKA3268
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I will say when Rob asked Natalie why she didn't go against Tony in the fire challenge, she gave a very weak answer.
I'm torn on this. I do think her giving up immunity to try and beat Tony in fire making would have likely impressed the jury enough to win. But I thought her answer was pretty sound as well. She broke up the strong, 3-person alliance. What she didn't know is Ben had fallen on the sword already, and likely told the jury that. So her claim of breaking up the alliance wasn't as impressive as she maybe thought it was.
But still, giving up final immunity to try and beat someone in fire making is super risky, but with a huge reward if it can be pulled off. Was it Ben that did it in his season?
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