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re: Official Avengers thread
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:01 pm to TheDarkestNight
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:01 pm to TheDarkestNight
I think that the people questioning the hyperbole and hype surrounding the movie (myself included) aren't comparing it to the godfather or anything. It's the ones bashing the minority that are accusing people of that.
It was a very good popcorn flick, and a fun ride action movie. I just don't think it was as good as some other similar genre movies.
Iron Man 1 ,XMen, and XMen First Class specifically. I thought it was really good, but I didn't see anything in watching it that left me personally with a feeling that it was the best comic book/action movie ever as if it were an undeniable fact.
The hero on hero fight scenes were excellent. Both Thor/Iron Man, and Thor/Hulk were better than the final battle IMHO.
It was a very good popcorn flick, and a fun ride action movie. I just don't think it was as good as some other similar genre movies.
Iron Man 1 ,XMen, and XMen First Class specifically. I thought it was really good, but I didn't see anything in watching it that left me personally with a feeling that it was the best comic book/action movie ever as if it were an undeniable fact.
The hero on hero fight scenes were excellent. Both Thor/Iron Man, and Thor/Hulk were better than the final battle IMHO.
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Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:02 pm to TheDarkestNight
quote:
What do you want? A bunch of fake elaborate drama where they all discuss their personal little feelings and long arse monologues that have no fricking purpose?
well they hit on some of this with the stark-banner interaction, but it wasn't really developed
and of course i don't want monologues that have no purpose. i don't want those in any movie
i want a real sense of drama and characters that are at least somewhat complex, with some characterization. i also like realistic dialogue that furthers the dramatic goals of the piece
i'm not some fan of art house films or anything. hell, i reject them and am much harsher on those movies than this one
quote:
First you say you can't understand why the movie is getting so much hype. Then I tell you why
i ask why the product of the movie is getting hype
you answered why there is an initial surge to see this movie (marketing). you DID NOT answer why people were gushing over the movie itself
again, you completely missed my simple/obvious point and "moved the goalpost" yourself as a result
quote:
Then you're like well no I was clearly talking about the product itself. Then I call you out and tell you why.
let's go back and read my posts on page 12
1st one
quote:
it is fun in a 10 year old way. non-serious. no real threats/danger. action
it has some epic cgi fighting scenes
it does a really good job of not rushing into things. long exposition, which i adore
i thought it had a pretty good villain
the writing is better than you expect for a simple/non-serious/non-threatening movie
however, the characters are flat outside of stark/banner. the story isn't anything special. it was a good movie, but i don't get the super hype it's receiving
this post was obviously questioning the marketing
2nd post on page 12
quote:
i agree with this. it was a good, solid, fun movie
i don't think it was amazing. THAT level of hype i don't get, but it's hard not to like/enjoy this movie
again, i'm CLEARLY NOT discussing the quality of movie and the hype that characteristic is getting
i only bring up, in the sentence prior, the fact that i don't think it was an amazing movie
oh, SFP and your complex, twisted posts
3rd post of page 12
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chill out. transformers may not have even set the bar for similar action scenes. there was nothing new with the action
this is exactly the type of lies/hyperbole that i don't get
enjoy the movie for what it is; don't turn it into something it's not
again, i just can't make out how i might be criticizing the quality of this film
i bring up the hyperbole of the fan boys in discussing its greatness, and warn people not to go that far. this couldn't be a comment on the hype of the quality of film...it must be about marketing
i am CLEARLY moving the goalposts
in no way can any post i made about the "hype" of this movie be construed as to relate to the discussion of teh quality of the movie itself. i feel like a fricking idiot making this mistake. if only i could be more clear to assist those in understanding the simple concepts i'm communicating
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:05 pm to CrippleCreek
quote:
Both Thor/Iron Man, and Thor/Hulk were better than the final battle IMHO.
question: was it ever established how Hulk became such a rational actor between the Thor/Hulk fight and the final battle?
"i'm always angry" was a 1-liner that didn't make much sense, especially when you remember that 10 minutes prior he was an irrational beast trying to frick up people. then he just pulls a 180 and has complete, rational control over himself during a final battle
did i miss something?
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nope.
did i miss something?
It would have been pretty hard to develop a more rational Hulk in a short period of time so i guess they just said F it and didn't even try.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
question: was it ever established how Hulk became such a rational actor between the Thor/Hulk fight and the final battle?
nope, not at all. Somewhere between falling from the sky, and arriving in New York he became the master of his domain. I was asking the people I was with that after the movie ended as well.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Official Avengers thread
Just got back from IMAX 3D in Atlanta.
Positives:
Action was awesome, Black Widow arse in IMAX 3D, its the freakin Avengers on the big screen!
Negatives:
Holly crap was the dialouge cheesy. The corny jokes left and right that were setup so poorly never seemed to end. I would say there were plot holes, but then the movie would have needed an actual plot.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:09 pm to TigerMyth36
quote:
Nope.
It would have been pretty hard to develop a more rational Hulk in a short period of time so i guess they just said F it and didn't even try.
ok cool
i saw people posting that this was the right hulk. i never really liked the character and didn't read his comics growing up. i didn't know if there was something i missed
i mean i still bring it up within the movie itself, b/c you have to be your own medium
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:09 pm to TigerMyth36
It was pretty obvious that getting angry wasn't his problem, it was staying calm that was. That's why when they told him to "get angry", he retorted "I'm always angry".
Pretty clear really.
And Slow, your name is apt to you and your movie views. Thankfully, no one seems to take you seriously.
Pretty clear really.
And Slow, your name is apt to you and your movie views. Thankfully, no one seems to take you seriously.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
"i'm always angry" was a 1-liner that didn't make much sense, especially when you remember that 10 minutes prior he was an irrational beast trying to frick up people. then he just pulls a 180 and has complete, rational control over himself during a final battle
did i miss something?
It comes down to who he's angry at.
When he tore up the heli-carrier, he was pissed at BW and then Thor. Then the jet pilot for lighting his arse up.
During the final battle, he was angry at the invaders.
He can direct his anger. But it sometimes gets the better of him, like when he hit Thor randomly.
ETA: The line "I'm always angry" shows that he is starting to learn to control Hulk, even if he doesn't have full control.
This post was edited on 5/6/12 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:10 pm to TigerMyth36
I'm the King Of Nitpicks, but I still enjoyed the movie.
I guess I went in with low expectations because I figured it would be impossible to show the group fighting together. The mix of god powered heroes and lesser powered heroes seemed to me like it would be too hard to show.
I was wrong. I thought it worked. I think the hate for Captain has more to do with the actor. I do find that guy boring. I thought the guy who played Captain before the serum was great. Too bad they couldn't just CGI him a body.
I guess I went in with low expectations because I figured it would be impossible to show the group fighting together. The mix of god powered heroes and lesser powered heroes seemed to me like it would be too hard to show.
I was wrong. I thought it worked. I think the hate for Captain has more to do with the actor. I do find that guy boring. I thought the guy who played Captain before the serum was great. Too bad they couldn't just CGI him a body.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think the hulk casting was great. Dude has a very schizoid type personality going. Loved it. I guess out of all 4 mains, I was most underwhelmed by Thor. I saw the Thor movie the other night and loved it. Maybe cause they just ditched the beard and went with stubble and gave him a perm as opposed to straight hair.
Btw jake, to really get the special FX, try seeing it in IMAX 3d, it was tittie sprinkles.
Btw jake, to really get the special FX, try seeing it in IMAX 3d, it was tittie sprinkles.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:16 pm to TigerMyth36
quote:
I was wrong. I thought it worked. I think the hate for Captain has more to do with the actor. I do find that guy boring. I thought the guy who played Captain before the serum was great. Too bad they couldn't just CGI him a body.
uhh, I'm just about positive that's what they did. Or actually in reverse I think.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I just meant the dialog and effects worked better. I liked the Norton Hulk but this Hulk was better.
i saw people posting that this was the right hulk.
Hulk has changed about a million times over the years in the comic.
He has been able to control his rage. He has had the intelligence of banner. He has been banner in total control with hulk powers. He has been gray. He has been green. He has been in a total unstoppable rage of insanity to the point he was removed from the Earth.
I would agree with one of the above posts that he was enraged by the aliens so he took his anger out on them.
He did still punch Thor so his rage wasn't 100% in check.
This post was edited on 5/6/12 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:21 pm to CrippleCreek
quote:Ha! I guess he just seemed to have more personality before the change.
uhh, I'm just about positive that's what they did. Or actually in reverse I think.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:23 pm to TheDarkestNight
quote:
It was pretty obvious that getting angry wasn't his problem, it was staying calm that was. That's why when they told him to "get angry", he retorted "I'm always angry".
that's kind of like saying "i don't have 10 cents, i have 2 nickels"
and it still doesn't explain his irrationality to rationality 180
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:24 pm to magildachunks
quote:
When he tore up the heli-carrier, he was pissed at BW and then Thor.
why and why?
they were being attacked (like in the city) by the bad guys. why was he mad at BW and then Thor?
Thor only bowed up to him b/c he was being a big green dick
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:25 pm to makinskrilla
quote:
Btw jake, to really get the special FX, try seeing it in IMAX 3d, it was tittie sprinkles.
i hate 3D but i may go watch this in 3D
i have to watch it in a better angle than the first time. i had a real bad angle. that's why i'm witholding judgment on the transformers 3 v. avengers final battle ultimate ranking until i can see it dead on
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
He was angry at Back Widow from the get-go. She not only pulled a gun on him, but she lied to him about being alone, and basically gave him no choice but to go with her or turn into hulk and kill her and the team she brought with her.
He chose to go instead of doing that.
Thor he fought because he was already Hulk and Thor hit him. Same with the jet pilot.
Notice in the last battle, none of the team dared hit him. He was only being attacked by the invaders. Even after he rocked Thor for no reason, Thor did nothing back to him.
He chose to go instead of doing that.
Thor he fought because he was already Hulk and Thor hit him. Same with the jet pilot.
Notice in the last battle, none of the team dared hit him. He was only being attacked by the invaders. Even after he rocked Thor for no reason, Thor did nothing back to him.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i hate 3D but i may go watch this in 3D
You'll be glad you did. We watched it on the "mini" IMAX in BR. We got there right when it started seating to get good seats. I felt like a little kid the whole time. First movie I have seen in 3D and it was a blast.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 3:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
By trying to stay calm and fighting the anger all the time it would bottle up and cause hulk to snap. By finally accepting the hulk as part as himself (accepting being angry) it allowed for more control.
The dialogue with iron man earlier in the movie foreshadowed this. Not that complicated really.
The dialogue with iron man earlier in the movie foreshadowed this. Not that complicated really.
This post was edited on 5/6/12 at 3:34 pm
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