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re: Official Avengers thread
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:54 pm to TheDarkestNight
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:54 pm to TheDarkestNight
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Nobody is telling you 5 different things. It's the same thing put in different words.
no, it's different things using different words
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You are just too full of yourself to understand simple logic you mongoloid.
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Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:54 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
I liked the movie a lot, but the Hulk thing was definitely a plot hole. It wasn't enough to take away from my enjoyment in the theater (probably because I expect some plot holes from this type of movie), but I immediately wondered why they had him change to a manageable version of the Hulk with no explanation. It didn't make sense
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:55 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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but I immediately wondered why they had him change to a manageable version of the Hulk with no explanation. It didn't make sense
yeah it was very convenient, like a lot of other things
also i hope that thanos is a legit threat, b/c with hulk and thor the avengers are simply way too powerful
also the new iron man suit made him seem all but indestructible in battle
Posted on 5/6/12 at 4:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
fwiw, i did just go back and find the post-credit scene for TIH tying it into the avengers
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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also the new iron man suit made him seem all but indestructible in battle
Yeh I always expected the iron man suit to be able to take a punishment; but the impact and G forces that starks brain would experience slamming against his skull throughout Avengers would leave only scrambled stark brain left.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:02 pm to schexyoung
iron man, thor, and hulk are going to take a SUPER legit bad guy to really threaten them
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He has experience in what are essentially black ops missions.
that's what cap did, too
fwiw, i set this convo up for just that quote/reply
There is a difference between leading 4 people against a few dozen enemies a few times and leading a few hundred people against several bases each with a few hundred enemies apiece. Besides, Thor's combat experience had come from non-war like missions. Cap had true war experience, no one else did (except for Fury but that's for another day).
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after the movie, it was clearly established that thor was commanding asgard and was the protector of earth
He wasn't commanding Asgard. He was just named as Odin's formal successor, which is what Odin was doing at the start of the film.
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fighting nazis on motorbikes certainly compares to fighting aliens better than experience in fighting...er...aliens
Yeah again, you are demonstrating that you don't know what you are talking about. How you have not been reprimanding for trolling is beyond me.
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at least a couple hundred men
he led battalions into battle now?
If you watched Captain America, then you'd know this. Hell I can point out the time in the movie these events occurred if you want me to.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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at any point did you think the avengers may lose their battle in this movie?
The conversation with Cap and Stark where Cap said "one day you'll have learn what sacrifice is" set up the tension as Stark was flying into the other dimension that he would get stuck there...setting up the sequel.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:06 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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I liked the movie a lot, but the Hulk thing was definitely a plot hole. It wasn't enough to take away from my enjoyment in the theater (probably because I expect some plot holes from this type of movie), but I immediately wondered why they had him change to a manageable version of the Hulk with no explanation. It didn't make sense
It's not a plothole at all. You just didn't see The Incredible Hulk or forgot the events of it. That's on you, not the writer.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:07 pm to theunknownknight
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The conversation with Cap and Stark where Cap said "one day you'll have learn what sacrifice is" set up the tension as Stark was flying into the other dimension that he would get stuck there...setting up the sequel.
i think you're stretching
but my rationality may be affected by the previews spoiling that drama (it clearly shows the hulk catching iron man in a free fall)
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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iron man, thor, and hulk are going to take a SUPER legit bad guy to really threaten them
Enter Thanos.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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fwiw, i did just go back and find the post-credit scene for TIH tying it into the avengers
Wasn't the only tie in either. The super soldier serum he was experimenting with that led to his condition as HDS put it was suppose to be a replica of the formula that created Cap. They tied in that loose end of the formula being lost in Captain America.
You have been blaming this movie for plotholes that don't exist, because like I've been saying, you don't know what you are talking about.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:08 pm to TheDarkestNight
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It's not a plothole at all. You just didn't see The Incredible Hulk or forgot the events of it. That's on you, not the writer.
Nah, I've seen both of the Hulk movies. It was a plot hole/poor writing
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:11 pm to theunknownknight
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set up the tension as Stark was flying into the other dimension that he would get stuck there...setting up the sequel.
I thought about that for a brief second as he was flying into the other dimension, but then I remembered that there was already another Iron Movie coming. He obviously wasn't going to get stuck
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Just got back from seeing it. I thought it was awesome.
Some notes: I thought they handled Black Widow really well. I always thought she was so so as a character in the comics. I prefere the movie version. I also thought they depicted Hawkey's skill and versatility with his bow well.
The Hulk was awesome. I didn't find his semi cooperation overly troublesome. In the comics he's always gone back and forth between a million different shades of mindlessness, coherency and intelligence level. Heck he was actually founding member in the books. Of course it never lasts which should be interesting for future movies.
For those worrying about Thanos level of power - don't. Dude is a legit threat to the entire team and then some.
In short, I've been a fan of the Avengers for about 40 years off and on. And this movie definitely does them justice.
Some notes: I thought they handled Black Widow really well. I always thought she was so so as a character in the comics. I prefere the movie version. I also thought they depicted Hawkey's skill and versatility with his bow well.
The Hulk was awesome. I didn't find his semi cooperation overly troublesome. In the comics he's always gone back and forth between a million different shades of mindlessness, coherency and intelligence level. Heck he was actually founding member in the books. Of course it never lasts which should be interesting for future movies.
For those worrying about Thanos level of power - don't. Dude is a legit threat to the entire team and then some.
In short, I've been a fan of the Avengers for about 40 years off and on. And this movie definitely does them justice.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:11 pm to TheDarkestNight
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There is a difference between leading 4 people against a few dozen enemies a few times and leading a few hundred people against several bases each with a few hundred enemies apiece.
the only difference is the strength of your unit
thor obviously has stronger comrades than what cap has to work with. nobody is debating that
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Thor's combat experience had come from non-war like missions. Cap had true war experience,
cap's war experience was not "on the battlefield." he ran black ops raiding/intel missions against HYDRA
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He was just named as Odin's formal successor, which is what Odin was doing at the start of the film.
and what was odin doing?
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Yeah again, you are demonstrating that you don't know what you are talking about.
what did i say that was incorrect?
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If you watched Captain America, then you'd know this. Hell I can point out the time in the movie these events occurred if you want me to.
please remind me at which point in Catain America he had more than 100 men at a single time behind him and he was commanding them in a strategic role
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
You have every right to voice that your disappointment the movie, but understand that puts you in the minority with a few arthouse critics intent on judging it against indie dramedies & Academy Awards contenders.
The Avengers is Citizen Kane for Citizen Nerd. It oozes the same mindless re-watch-ability-ness that Airplane & Caddyshack enjoyed for years, despite its detractors. It offers the same state-of-the-art CGI eye-candy that filled billions of seats for James Cameron, George Lucas, & Peter Jackson. Those who enjoyed The Avengers consider it a roller-coaster of pure popcorn summer block-buster fun that appeals to kids from one to 92.
Sure, it doesn't make any underlying social comment like X-Men expertly did against racial prejudice & genocide. It also doesn't take itself seriously or try to distance itself away from the comics like the exceptional crime drama The Dark Knight did. Yet, I have already seen The Avengers 3 times, and, along with the majority here, will probably re-watch it on DVD or cable re-runs ad nauseum until the jokes, references, & CGI become dated.
This was the superhero movie I have been waiting on for almost 40 years as a comic book fan, and to me, it exceeded my expectations, and surpassed the hype. I feel sorry for those who spent money on a movie they didn't enjoy. I certainly got my money's worth.
The Avengers is Citizen Kane for Citizen Nerd. It oozes the same mindless re-watch-ability-ness that Airplane & Caddyshack enjoyed for years, despite its detractors. It offers the same state-of-the-art CGI eye-candy that filled billions of seats for James Cameron, George Lucas, & Peter Jackson. Those who enjoyed The Avengers consider it a roller-coaster of pure popcorn summer block-buster fun that appeals to kids from one to 92.
Sure, it doesn't make any underlying social comment like X-Men expertly did against racial prejudice & genocide. It also doesn't take itself seriously or try to distance itself away from the comics like the exceptional crime drama The Dark Knight did. Yet, I have already seen The Avengers 3 times, and, along with the majority here, will probably re-watch it on DVD or cable re-runs ad nauseum until the jokes, references, & CGI become dated.
This was the superhero movie I have been waiting on for almost 40 years as a comic book fan, and to me, it exceeded my expectations, and surpassed the hype. I feel sorry for those who spent money on a movie they didn't enjoy. I certainly got my money's worth.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:14 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Nah, I've seen both of the Hulk movies. It was a plot hole/poor writing
i don't think people want to admit that having a poorly fleshed out character is poor writing
what it DOES do is allow you a lot of room to do random shite with your character, but it detracts from the quality of writing
this movie clearly relied upon an amorphous concept of the hulk to make it go. it worked within the movie, but it's not good writing. it's avoiding good writing to allow the movie go go in different directions without the confines of a story
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:15 pm to LSUFreek
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I have already seen The Avengers 3 times
Now that is true dedication
Posted on 5/6/12 at 5:16 pm to LSUFreek
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The Avengers is Citizen Kane for Citizen Nerd. It oozes the same mindless re-watch-ability-ness that Airplane & Caddyshack enjoyed for years, despite its detractors. It offers the same state-of-the-art CGI eye-candy that filled billions of seats for James Cameron, George Lucas, & Peter Jackson. Those who enjoyed The Avengers consider it a roller-coaster of pure popcorn summer block-buster fun that appeals to kids from one to 92.
let me ask you all this
how did you react to transformers 3 last summer?
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This was the superhero movie I have been waiting on for almost 40 years as a comic book fan,
what was so bad about x-men first class?
where did it fail in reaching your goals?
i'll give you the differentiation in TDK and Avengers. but first class compares, and is a vastly superior film
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