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re: The Acolyte Cancelled
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:25 pm to Sam Quint
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:25 pm to Sam Quint
For anyone else unaware a Motte and Bailey logical fallacy (with the names taken from the medieval uses of the two things) is an a example of a logical fallacy similar to a straw man but not the same. It’s the progressives number one move and understanding that and how to argue against it is important. A brief explanation of what is can be found below
Motte and bailey (MAB) is a combination of bait-and-switch and equivocation in which someone switches between a "motte" (an easy-to-defend and often common-sense statement, such as "culture shapes our experiences") and a "bailey" (a hard-to-defend and more controversial statement, such as "cultural knowledge is just as valid as scientific knowledge") in order to defend a viewpoint. Someone will argue the easy-to-defend position (motte) temporarily, to ward off critics, while the less-defensible position (bailey) remains the desired belief, yet is never actually defended
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:28 pm to td01241
Listen, from the jump this show has been accused of being “woke”
not by me, but by posters you probably agree with.
Now it’s some bait and switch on my part that I think “woke” is a vague term?
Why is it on me to define your accusations?
again, tell me what was woke about the show.
not by me, but by posters you probably agree with.
Now it’s some bait and switch on my part that I think “woke” is a vague term?
Why is it on me to define your accusations?
again, tell me what was woke about the show.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:31 pm to SammyTiger
The motte and Bailey fallacy you’re guilty of here clearly is lost on you (or is it I stated earlier I don’t think you’re stupid just in a cult that has you brainwashed so maybe you do get it)
Is you make the argument that’s more or less easily defensible about things incthe show being bad (the motte) then when someone explains they were bad because they were woke you retreat to the entirely indefensible position in an attempt to ward of critics pretending you don’t even have a clear definition of what woke is so how could you even be expected to know (the Bailey)?All the while never providing a defense or rebuttal to the initial responses to you.
Is you make the argument that’s more or less easily defensible about things incthe show being bad (the motte) then when someone explains they were bad because they were woke you retreat to the entirely indefensible position in an attempt to ward of critics pretending you don’t even have a clear definition of what woke is so how could you even be expected to know (the Bailey)?All the while never providing a defense or rebuttal to the initial responses to you.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
I certainly would not say that by default dark tones people are not as attractive as lighter tones.
I would say it is all preferences. And Hollywood has a preference for people who look certain ways, and this includes skin color.
I would say it is all preferences. And Hollywood has a preference for people who look certain ways, and this includes skin color.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:00 pm to ThoseGuys
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I certainly would not say that by default dark tones people are not as attractive as lighter tones.
That's not really what I said.
Gabrielle Union is fairly dark. She's attractive.
Halle Berry is light. She's very attractive.
They both suck as actresses and the only reason they were ever an actress is b/c they are both hot.
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And Hollywood has a preference for people who look certain ways, and this includes skin color.
so does the audience, and most people are more attracted to the lighter dark skinned woman than the really dark skinned ones. That doesn't mean there aren't beautiful dark skinned women.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
This is totally taboo to admit in 2024 but pretty white European descent women are by far the most profitable and marketable demographic on the planet.
See Caitlin Clark in the WNBA and why it rustled all those black lesbians Jimmie’s
See Caitlin Clark in the WNBA and why it rustled all those black lesbians Jimmie’s
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
I'm sorry if I interpreted what you said incorrectly. But when you said they (light skinned women) were typically more attractive than dark skinned women, I took it to mean you feel by default lighter skin tone is more beautiful.
And I want to be clear, I am fully aware that lighter skin tones are preferred and more marketable. That's my whole point. The whiter you are and the more traditionally beautiful you are the more advantages you have, not just in Hollywood but in life as a whole. But by saying that, I always acknowledge it's kind of problematic that we are literally judging someone based purely on their skin color.
It doesn't make someone a bad person if they admit that people who look a certain way have it easier than others. It's just a fact. Life isn't fair and all the social justice won't change that. But at the same time there is no reason to pretend it doesn't exist either. Both things are allowed to be true at the same time.
And I want to be clear, I am fully aware that lighter skin tones are preferred and more marketable. That's my whole point. The whiter you are and the more traditionally beautiful you are the more advantages you have, not just in Hollywood but in life as a whole. But by saying that, I always acknowledge it's kind of problematic that we are literally judging someone based purely on their skin color.
It doesn't make someone a bad person if they admit that people who look a certain way have it easier than others. It's just a fact. Life isn't fair and all the social justice won't change that. But at the same time there is no reason to pretend it doesn't exist either. Both things are allowed to be true at the same time.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:25 pm to ThoseGuys
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And I want to be clear, I am fully aware that lighter skin tones are preferred and more marketable. That's my whole point. The whiter you are and the more traditionally beautiful you are the more advantages you have, not just in Hollywood but in life as a whole. But by saying that, I always acknowledge it's kind of problematic that we are literally judging someone based purely on their skin color.
It's unfortunate, but it's reality. The best you can hope for is that people are open minded enough to give people equal chances despite what conventionally has been done, and not judge a book by it's cover.
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It doesn't make someone a bad person if they admit that people who look a certain way have it easier than others. It's just a fact. Life isn't fair and all the social justice won't change that. But at the same time there is no reason to pretend it doesn't exist either. Both things are allowed to be true at the same time.
totally agree.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:10 pm to td01241
Is there a fallacy when someone makes an accusation and then asked to support it they consistently dodge and throw out logical fallacy rather than support their own position?
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:24 pm to SammyTiger
There's actually a total of 15 logical fallacies. But since youre not a student of mine and im not being paid to learn you good you can seek out the information on your own.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:37 pm to td01241
He doing what he always does, trying to relitigate an argument he’s already lost.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:39 pm to td01241
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There's actually a total of 15 logical fallacies. But since youre not a student of mine and im not being paid to learn you good you can seek out the information on your own.
I probably would not attend whatever bible college pays a professor to tell students all modern liberalism stems from communist jews.
but throw out whatever bullshite you feel like
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:46 pm to SammyTiger
I teach at the second biggest college in the State of GA by enrollment. Pretty big fail there.
I also never said liberalism comes from communist jews. Communist hate liberalism. There were primarily three major liberal thinkers of their time and liberalism as the idea was used to form the USA and as such most other western worlds adopted some model of stems from John Locke, an englishmen who argued that certain rights men gained by entering in a pact to form society because they gave up the total freedom they had living nature. This is the basis for our entire constitution. Some of it is even lifted straight from John Locke
I did say progressive wing politcs which arent liberal in the least theyre communist with a dash fascism thrown in due to their love to marry corporations and government, is the end result of a combination of two major groups of thinkers. One being the Frankfurt school which im assuming you dont even know what it was. It was a group of Jewish communist who when things got dicy in Germany almost all fled to the USA. Many of them are interesting in that they contributed stuff but Herbert Marcuse is the most influential by far. Read some of his papers if you can hold your attention span. His student was Kimberly Krenshaw, a communist butthurt the black power movements didnt give a shite about women so she created intersectionality.
The other is all of the postmodernist and their moral relativism with some pedophilia thrown in.
I know you didnt likely get almost any of that or understand a thing which is why Id suggest you look it up
I also never said liberalism comes from communist jews. Communist hate liberalism. There were primarily three major liberal thinkers of their time and liberalism as the idea was used to form the USA and as such most other western worlds adopted some model of stems from John Locke, an englishmen who argued that certain rights men gained by entering in a pact to form society because they gave up the total freedom they had living nature. This is the basis for our entire constitution. Some of it is even lifted straight from John Locke
I did say progressive wing politcs which arent liberal in the least theyre communist with a dash fascism thrown in due to their love to marry corporations and government, is the end result of a combination of two major groups of thinkers. One being the Frankfurt school which im assuming you dont even know what it was. It was a group of Jewish communist who when things got dicy in Germany almost all fled to the USA. Many of them are interesting in that they contributed stuff but Herbert Marcuse is the most influential by far. Read some of his papers if you can hold your attention span. His student was Kimberly Krenshaw, a communist butthurt the black power movements didnt give a shite about women so she created intersectionality.
The other is all of the postmodernist and their moral relativism with some pedophilia thrown in.
I know you didnt likely get almost any of that or understand a thing which is why Id suggest you look it up
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:48 pm to JetsetNuggs
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:52 pm to td01241
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I teach at the second biggest college in the State of GA by enrollment. Pretty big fail there.
it might be if that didn’t mean you teach at Kennesaw State.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:52 pm to SammyTiger
Georgia Southern overtook K State 2 years ago. Damn im owning you in this thread. They bought out Armstrong which was a college in Savannah and created a secondary satellite campus there.
And dont think I didnt notice you didnt walk back or apologize for your statement saying I stated commie jews made liberalism.
And dont think I didnt notice you didnt walk back or apologize for your statement saying I stated commie jews made liberalism.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:53 pm to SammyTiger
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In this context i would define it as a catch all phrase used to describe any kind of progressive liberal social, economic or political ideology
From Merriam Webster you have an acceptable definition.
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Woke is an adjective that can mean being aware of social issues, especially racial and social justice, or being politically liberal and progressive
But I tend to think it goes from liberal to woke when they are interested in "teaching" or lecturing the audience more than just entertaining.
This obviously includes the shows that are defined by the demographic identity of the cast more than the story. It is pretty flagrant when you realize there is often no story, no character progression, nothing that makes drama entertaining because the character is no longer viewed as three dimensional (because it is a woman, minority, or other demographic).
Lucasfilm has fallen apart because of that fundamental issue. Insert Cartman as KK and you could have predicted the Acolyte 12 months ago. All the money in the world can't save a terrible management with no idea what they are doing.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
Not surprising. Im sure their licensing partners are absolutely lived with Disney and the production cost would be more than theyd ever make on whatever their take is for the 15 Acolyte action figures theyd sell in a lifetime from an Ollies bargain bin.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:10 pm to td01241
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Georgia Southern overtook K State 2 years ago. Damn im owning you in this thread. They bought out Armstrong which was a college in Savannah and created a secondary satellite campus there.
Idk why you think this is an own.
You think anyone besides students and teacher's at a 12th rate university give a frick?
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And dont think I didnt notice you didnt walk back or apologize for your statement saying I stated commie jews made liberalism.
oh yeah that’s because i’m gonna do neither.
I askes you about a show and you spit out a bunch of Poly Sci bullshite.
if wanted to take your poly sci opinion i’d enroll in a mediocre college in Georgia.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:17 pm to SammyTiger
If you ask anyone who knows anything about the university system in GA youd know that GSU going back about 8ish years now made the jump from div 1 AA to div 1 football and play in the sunbelt. Since youre a dummy and dont know things schools cant just do this on the fly. It requires they hit an enrollment amount which will be increased, increase their endowments, publish more research, and grow the status of their degree programs to make them more attractive for the conference they join and raise and contribute to revenue sharing.
As such since that time GSU has gone through an insanely fast change in the value of the degree from the school. salary packages to attract high quality people (this was my situation, I turned down the same job at what many would perceive a more prestigious university because they offered me 15k a year less with no protections on freedom to research as I please), and some of their programs like business and chemistry are actually very very highly regarded for a non state school flag ship public college.
So again tell me about the place I work please. You clearly know a lot and did your research
As such since that time GSU has gone through an insanely fast change in the value of the degree from the school. salary packages to attract high quality people (this was my situation, I turned down the same job at what many would perceive a more prestigious university because they offered me 15k a year less with no protections on freedom to research as I please), and some of their programs like business and chemistry are actually very very highly regarded for a non state school flag ship public college.
So again tell me about the place I work please. You clearly know a lot and did your research
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