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re: The Human Centipede
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:36 pm to The Egg
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:36 pm to The Egg
It says it's 100% medically accurate but it seems like this would be impossible to do unless you somehow closed off any access from the mouth to the trachea. If you didn't, the chance of of getting feces in the lungs is pretty high on day 1 of their new life. If that happens, boom, you'll get a dead link in the centipede.
They would definitely have to become nose breathers and you'd need a good seal on the ATM connection so no feces would get in their nose. But, good lord, if one of them gets a sinus infection and can't breath then you'll have the same problem on your hands. Boom, another dead link in the centipede.
I guess the answer to all of this would be nasotracheal intubation and just have a tube constantly in there. It's hard to breath through one of those things without some sort of pressure behind it though. Hmmmm, decisions, decisions.
Did they answer this question in the movie?
They would definitely have to become nose breathers and you'd need a good seal on the ATM connection so no feces would get in their nose. But, good lord, if one of them gets a sinus infection and can't breath then you'll have the same problem on your hands. Boom, another dead link in the centipede.
I guess the answer to all of this would be nasotracheal intubation and just have a tube constantly in there. It's hard to breath through one of those things without some sort of pressure behind it though. Hmmmm, decisions, decisions.
Did they answer this question in the movie?
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Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:36 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Why isn't head the obvious preferable position compared to arse or middle?
Head gets to eat and talk. He is the strength of the unit.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:37 pm to PiscesTiger
I think he meant why isn't head the obvious best position.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:38 pm to tuck
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Did they answer this question in the movie?
No, but please stay in ALabama.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:38 pm to Lacour
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I think he meant why isn't head the obvious best position.
This. You asked which is worse, head or middle? It seems head is obviously the best position.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:38 pm to PiscesTiger
if i'm the middle or back end, i'm hoping they dont feed the head some chili or late night taco bell.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:39 pm to Lacour
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I think he meant why isn't head the obvious best position.
Oh it's gotta be. I would want to be the head if I was given a choice so I could do what the selfish Japanese kid did...cut myself with glass and die. Way to leave the others hangin, but oh well...he didn't ask for a part in this play.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:39 pm to The Egg
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if i'm the middle or back end, i'm hoping they dont feed the head some chili or late night taco bell.
Eh, regardless, you're still eating shite. I'm hoping somehow they get fed poison and enough of it comes to my system to just end it.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:40 pm to DestrehanTiger
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s. You asked which is worse, head or middle? It seems head is obviously the best position.
DOH! My bad....I meant posterior. Ok, now we're on same page and I am making more sense I hope.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:41 pm to DestrehanTiger
I am not quite sure what the doctor fed to the centipede, but it was out of a bowl and the Japanese boy was eating it like it was prime rib. At the time, the "shite" question came into play...well before the deed was done.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 4:43 pm to The Egg
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if i'm the middle or back end, i'm hoping they dont feed the head some chili or late night taco bell.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 7:45 pm to Lacour
I was hoping someone else might get the nerve to watch this besides 2 people in all of the fricked up community that is Tigerdroppings.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 7:46 pm to PiscesTiger
I will eventually. I know it goes against everything I said earlier in the thread, but how could I not watch it now?
Posted on 4/29/10 at 8:07 pm to Lacour
That's the spirit!
And Tuck, I was giving you a hard time earlier bc it seemed like you knew too much about this process. A bit scary.
And Tuck, I was giving you a hard time earlier bc it seemed like you knew too much about this process. A bit scary.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 10:12 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:I know. I laughed. The creepy vibe was what I was going for and I guess it worked.
And Tuck, I was giving you a hard time earlier bc it seemed like you knew too much about this process. A bit scary.
I'm in the medical field so the whole thing kind of fascinates me. The director supposedly talked to surgeons to try and get it "100% medically accurate." I was just trying to poke holes in their centipede so-to-speak.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 11:36 pm to tuck
So, it's not accurate? Tuck, watch it and let us know if your theory is still the same. For some reason, I might agree with you, but supposedly the operation is doable, even if the three can only survive for 5 minutes.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 11:39 pm to PiscesTiger
Oh I think its doable. There's no way they would survive very long though.
Posted on 4/29/10 at 11:46 pm to tuck
Yeah, I just wonder what the criteria are for why it would work vs. why it wouldn't. For instance:
* The trucker was killed for not being a "match". I guess it may be blood match due to losing out to the "majority". He was the first to be captive, but when the two girls were kidnapped and tested (I am guessing), the doctor realized that the girls were a match and that he wasn't and needed a new 3rd.
* He asked the girls if they were relatives to one another when they first got into his living room. They explained that they were friends and not related and that seemed to suit him.
Anyway, the procedure was done very half-heartedly as the film showed a lot of in and out fade scenes that made viewers know that time was passing...so I still have not a great idea as to how the procedure was completely done. The concept of having one digestive system is still "uh, what?" to me. Can you explain?
* The trucker was killed for not being a "match". I guess it may be blood match due to losing out to the "majority". He was the first to be captive, but when the two girls were kidnapped and tested (I am guessing), the doctor realized that the girls were a match and that he wasn't and needed a new 3rd.
* He asked the girls if they were relatives to one another when they first got into his living room. They explained that they were friends and not related and that seemed to suit him.
Anyway, the procedure was done very half-heartedly as the film showed a lot of in and out fade scenes that made viewers know that time was passing...so I still have not a great idea as to how the procedure was completely done. The concept of having one digestive system is still "uh, what?" to me. Can you explain?
Posted on 4/30/10 at 12:09 am to PiscesTiger
The procedure itself isn't the problem. I think you can pretty much connect what you want to. There are thousands of operations a day where a surgeon has to take part of the intestine out and reconnect it. It would basically be the same thing since the digestive system is basically one long tube. Now keeping the connections together is another story.
The epithelium replicates pretty quickly along the whole system, so if you get a "match," whatever that means in the movie, then you would theoretically get quick healing. You would have to prevent them from eating anything though because as soon as one has a bowel movement in the other's mouth, you are setting yourself up for an infection. You'd have to keep them on some type of IV diet for a while until the anastomses healed.
As far as the matching, I guess Blood match is as good of an explanation as any for the movie but I would think tissue antigens would be equally important. I mean if they were looking for other types of antigens, like they would in a transplant, then it would be much harder to find the right matches. You are still sewing two different people together so you are going to get one hell of an inflammatory response, even with "good matching." You'd have to pump them full of steroids which brings up the problem of infection again. Steroids inhibit the immune response so a person can't fight infections as well as they normally would. If you give them steroids and feces is going through a healing wound, you are going to get an infection.
So basically, yeah the operation is doable, but keeping them alive for any significant period of time would seem to be ridiculously impossible. The two in the rear would probably end up on ventilators pretty quickly. The middle one would be the first to go. I guess if the middle one died relatively quickly, then the rear could survive. The front one would be the lucky one...so to speak.
The epithelium replicates pretty quickly along the whole system, so if you get a "match," whatever that means in the movie, then you would theoretically get quick healing. You would have to prevent them from eating anything though because as soon as one has a bowel movement in the other's mouth, you are setting yourself up for an infection. You'd have to keep them on some type of IV diet for a while until the anastomses healed.
As far as the matching, I guess Blood match is as good of an explanation as any for the movie but I would think tissue antigens would be equally important. I mean if they were looking for other types of antigens, like they would in a transplant, then it would be much harder to find the right matches. You are still sewing two different people together so you are going to get one hell of an inflammatory response, even with "good matching." You'd have to pump them full of steroids which brings up the problem of infection again. Steroids inhibit the immune response so a person can't fight infections as well as they normally would. If you give them steroids and feces is going through a healing wound, you are going to get an infection.
So basically, yeah the operation is doable, but keeping them alive for any significant period of time would seem to be ridiculously impossible. The two in the rear would probably end up on ventilators pretty quickly. The middle one would be the first to go. I guess if the middle one died relatively quickly, then the rear could survive. The front one would be the lucky one...so to speak.
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