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re: The Legend of Tarzan (NOW SHOWING)
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:05 am to sorantable
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:05 am to sorantable
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ETA: Samuel L was awesome.
he really was.
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:47 am to MorbidTheClown
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ETA: Samuel L was awesome.
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he really was.
Jackson and Waltz were my biggest fears, but Yates used them both extremely well. They're both pretty one-note actors that go over the top in most of their roles, but he kept them honest.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:49 am to Fewer Kilometers
he had some pretty funny lines. didn't want to quote any and spoil anything.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:38 am to MorbidTheClown
but you looked like you were gonna
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:42 am to Snoopy04
yep. typed a few a kept deleting.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 5:27 pm to MorbidTheClown
Four day weekend ended up higher than estimated... $46.5 million.
Predictions that it will have to do over $400 mil to get a sequel.
Predictions that it will have to do over $400 mil to get a sequel.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:51 pm to Fewer Kilometers
OK, I saw Tarzan yesterday.
As I've said in earlier posts on this thread, I've been a Tarzan fan since I was a kid. I've read all the books, some more than once. I've always felt that the ERB version of Tarzan of the Apes has NEVER been accurately portrayed on screen.
This film didn't either, but it was the closest yet.
SPOILERS BELOW
Things they got right:
Skarsgaard did a huge amount of work to build his physique to look the way Tarzan should look. He nailed it. Agile, powerful, muscular, but not muscle bound.
Tarzan's intelligence. He's not a dumb brute. He's actually extremely intelligent. He just didn't know English when he first encounters white men. Tarzan is cunning, thoughtful, and noble.
The look of the landscape. Wow, gorgeous cinematography! The dark continent looked the way it should. Wide and wild and foreboding.
Things they didn't get right:
Tarzan's movement through the jungle. The "swinging from vines" thing was a way that early movie makers could portray Tarzan's movement. They didn't have CGI so swinging from suspended ropes was the best they could do. Tarzan moved through the trees like a squirrel. Sure, if there was a vine handy, he would probably use it. But he also ran across branches, leaped from limb to limb, swung along JUST LIKE MONKEYS DO. There's just not that many convenient vines available in nature. Besides, most vines originate from the ground. You can't swing from something connected on top and bottom.
Tarzan's hair was black. No one wants a blonde Tarzan.
Tarzan was Lord of the Jungle and King of the Apes. Why they felt the need to have him subservient to Acut is a mystery to me. Tarzan would never bow before another ape. And he also wouldn't fight him the way an ape fights. Tarzan was smarter than the apes, that's what made him a superior fighter. He'd use a rope to lasso them, a bow to shoot them, or a knife to stab them. He certainly wouldn't just hover over Jane and let Acut pound on him.
Tarzan could speak with the more intelligent beasts like apes, elephants, and even lions to a lesser extent. But he couldn't call crocodiles to his aid. They weren't smart enough. It just wouldn't happen.
But worst of all, Samuel Jules Jackson. frick. He plays himself in EVERYTHING he does. Look, I love him in Pulp Fiction. But he's just not that talented of an actor. Get him the hell out of my Tarzan movie.
Overall, I probably sound like a fun sponge pissing on a fun summer movie. And in some ways I am. But like I said, I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to Tarzan. And I'd ask any of y'all who've also read the books to chime in here as well.
Still, it's a good movie, and I'd recommend you see it. It just didn't live up to my hopes.
As I've said in earlier posts on this thread, I've been a Tarzan fan since I was a kid. I've read all the books, some more than once. I've always felt that the ERB version of Tarzan of the Apes has NEVER been accurately portrayed on screen.
This film didn't either, but it was the closest yet.
SPOILERS BELOW
Things they got right:
Skarsgaard did a huge amount of work to build his physique to look the way Tarzan should look. He nailed it. Agile, powerful, muscular, but not muscle bound.
Tarzan's intelligence. He's not a dumb brute. He's actually extremely intelligent. He just didn't know English when he first encounters white men. Tarzan is cunning, thoughtful, and noble.
The look of the landscape. Wow, gorgeous cinematography! The dark continent looked the way it should. Wide and wild and foreboding.
Things they didn't get right:
Tarzan's movement through the jungle. The "swinging from vines" thing was a way that early movie makers could portray Tarzan's movement. They didn't have CGI so swinging from suspended ropes was the best they could do. Tarzan moved through the trees like a squirrel. Sure, if there was a vine handy, he would probably use it. But he also ran across branches, leaped from limb to limb, swung along JUST LIKE MONKEYS DO. There's just not that many convenient vines available in nature. Besides, most vines originate from the ground. You can't swing from something connected on top and bottom.
Tarzan's hair was black. No one wants a blonde Tarzan.
Tarzan was Lord of the Jungle and King of the Apes. Why they felt the need to have him subservient to Acut is a mystery to me. Tarzan would never bow before another ape. And he also wouldn't fight him the way an ape fights. Tarzan was smarter than the apes, that's what made him a superior fighter. He'd use a rope to lasso them, a bow to shoot them, or a knife to stab them. He certainly wouldn't just hover over Jane and let Acut pound on him.
Tarzan could speak with the more intelligent beasts like apes, elephants, and even lions to a lesser extent. But he couldn't call crocodiles to his aid. They weren't smart enough. It just wouldn't happen.
But worst of all, Samuel Jules Jackson. frick. He plays himself in EVERYTHING he does. Look, I love him in Pulp Fiction. But he's just not that talented of an actor. Get him the hell out of my Tarzan movie.
Overall, I probably sound like a fun sponge pissing on a fun summer movie. And in some ways I am. But like I said, I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to Tarzan. And I'd ask any of y'all who've also read the books to chime in here as well.
Still, it's a good movie, and I'd recommend you see it. It just didn't live up to my hopes.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:44 pm to TygerTyger
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Tarzan could speak with the more intelligent beasts like apes, elephants, and even lions to a lesser extent. But he couldn't call crocodiles to his aid. They weren't smart enough. It just wouldn't happen.
He didn't command the crocodiles, he did a mating call (as he'd done earlier in the film, when they were prefacing this with his doing the mating calls of other animals).
Alligator mating call.
Alligator distress call in action.
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Why they felt the need to have him subservient to Acut is a mystery to me. Tarzan would never bow before another ape. And he also wouldn't fight him the way an ape fights. Tarzan was smarter than the apes, that's what made him a superior fighter. He'd use a rope to lasso them, a bow to shoot them, or a knife to stab them. He certainly wouldn't just hover over Jane and let Acut pound on him.
They tweaked his origin in the film so that he didn't have his father's knife or the lasso, bow, and arrows that he'd taken from Kulonga and Mbonga's village. So he wouldn't have had those to protect Jane.
It appeared that they were trying to make him a protector of the people and the jungle (especially the apes). They wanted to show him working with the apes instead of dominating them.
This is by far the closest thing to an ERB film that we've ever had. The Mike Henry films had the James Bond aspect down, and Ron Ely was the smart jungle protector, but neither of them worked in the Greystoke ancestry or included Jane. And the Greystoke movie brought in the British stuff, but left Tarzan as an animal.
They didn't get it perfect, but Jesus, after a hundred years of Tarzan movies, I'm glad that they got it 95% correct.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:48 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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his is by far the closest thing to an ERB film that we've ever had. The Mike Henry films had the James Bond aspect down, and Ron Ely was the smart jungle protector, but neither of them worked in the Greystoke ancestry or included Jane. And the Greystoke movie brought in the British stuff, but left Tarzan as an animal.
They didn't get it perfect, but Jesus, after a hundred years of Tarzan movies, I'm glad that they got it 95% correct.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on this and said so in my post. I just wanted them to go a little further.
I guess the 21st century requires a PC Tarzan and I grew up with a Tarzan that kicks arse and worries about feelings second.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:58 pm to TygerTyger
If we stuck to the novels, Tarzan would have a ridiculous mullet with jagged short bangs and a huge scar across his forehead that glowed red every time that he got angry.
I don't think the audiences would be into that.
I don't think the audiences would be into that.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:08 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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If we stuck to the novels, Tarzan would have a ridiculous mullet with jagged short bangs and a huge scar across his forehead that glowed red every time that he got angry.
I don't think the audiences would be into that.
yeah but I would!
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:59 am to Fewer Kilometers
Finally saw this tonight. I bought the ERB book and I'm about 2/3 through it. Man, how I wish they's just make a good movie of the original story with modern special effects available. I liked the Tarzan portrayal except for the fact that they made him far too weak and subservient. Loved the flashbacks - they were generally well done and I wish they would have been THE story. It was a good movie that Hollywood ruined - I cringed at a literal recent James Bond villain yelling "Get the diamonds!" Also would have been much better without Samuel Jackson - I'm surprised at the love for him in this thread. He did do a nice job of toning down his performance from his normal Schtick, but it's a much truer movie without his character. As noted by others, stunning scenery and cinematography. Overall an enjoyable movie experience, but just sticking to the damn book could have made this an epic film. It was well done - just well done Hollywood cliche, unfortunately. I'm surprised it didn't do better overseas though.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:44 am to 911Moto
It's over 300 Million globally. We might have a shot at a sequel.
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:29 am to TygerTyger
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I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to Tarzan.
No one is making Tarzan movies for people like you. I'm sorry that you're in this predicament.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:57 am to Fewer Kilometers
When I checked a day or two ago it was at around 260, so it must have had a good weekend somewhere. Hope it keeps rolling overseas another couple weeks.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 11:01 am to 911Moto
There's a Facebook Tarzan Sequel group. They're tracking it pretty closely. $309 Mill was the last figure that I saw.
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