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re: The Prometheus (Major Spoiler) Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:26 am to BAMFulk24
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:26 am to BAMFulk24
Exactly. None of the evolution in the film makes any sense. There is no logic.
And it's not a "leap of faith" to accept it. But again, that harkens back to Lost. Man, sadly I need to stop thinking about the film. It's falling apart.
And it's not a "leap of faith" to accept it. But again, that harkens back to Lost. Man, sadly I need to stop thinking about the film. It's falling apart.
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Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:03 am to Rooco
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so Charlize Theron did have sex with the captain?
Yes, and for no earthly reason... it came out of nowhere and went nowhere... the activity was plugged in there to get the captain away from the monitor so that he couldn't see what was happening to the two guys stuck in the dome.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 11:03 am to Freauxzen
So you aren't going to see it again to see what can be explained with more than one viewing?
Posted on 6/13/12 at 11:01 pm to JS87
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David was initially programmed to do whatever it took to insure Weyland was able to meet/speak to the "engineers"...regardless of the potential dangers. I didn't feel like he was purposely harming the humans (though collateral damage was an acceptable price to pay.)
Still doesn't explain why Weyland thought it necessary to kill the others. The android clearly intended to kill him, although he was just being programmed by Weyland to do so.
Of course, given that practically every character behaved inexplicably irrationally in practically every situation, why not have Weyland gratuitously and unnecessarily kill the others?
Posted on 6/13/12 at 11:07 pm to Jwodie
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It seems to me like the canisters were biological weapons that the engineers/space jockeys would use on planets to destroy life (to perhaps recreate it).
Well, the goo from the large vial-looking things inside the canisters is what infected the guy who impregnated the girl who gave birth to the alien that impregnated the space jockey guy, so presumably that was its purpose, to propagate the alien life form that would kill everyone. The canisters, of course, were very reminiscent of the alien "eggs" from the other movies.
Posted on 6/13/12 at 11:45 pm to molsusports
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Their concepts of space travel are annoying (in 70-80 years we're exceeding light speed or travel thru worm holes?)... and they talk about radioisotope dating in a ridiculous way on more than one occasion.
Do you think people in 1840 every thought people would fly? Do you think people in 1890 believed man would set foot on the moon?
Posted on 6/13/12 at 11:49 pm to Napoleon
Why did David keep calling Vickers mum? Haven't seen this discussed
Posted on 6/13/12 at 11:58 pm to Hogtastic Voyage
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Why did David keep calling Vickers mum? Haven't seen this discussed
Good observation but I'm sure the answer is probably because the writer felt he didn't have enough dead ends in the script already so right before he turned it in he went back and added mum to the end of every line in which David addresses Vickers.
This post was edited on 6/14/12 at 12:02 am
Posted on 6/14/12 at 12:44 am to Polar Bear
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There were also a few confounding scenes in the film, at least for me.
There were almost nothing but confounding scenes. It seemed practically every character behaved completely irrationally in almost every situation. I'm willing to suspend disbelief (for instance, humans being able to travel, in a mere two years, to another solar system just 80 years from now--we may not even make it to Mars by then), but the plot needs to be internally logical and consistent, and characters should behave the way characters of their nature would be expected to behave in a given situation.
The entire team (save Charlize Theron and the two research doctors), going on this mission without any clue what the mission is about?
The research scientist carelessly removing his helmet as soon as they think the air is breathable in the structure. What scientist on an alien world would do this?
The research scientist essentially giving up and getting drunk as soon as they found one dead engineer? After spending years painstakingly studying ancient cave drawings for clues about them, he actually finds their outpost and a freaking dead one on the scene and just loses interest without even completely exploring the structure to see if there are any still alive, or what clues about them may be found there?
The captain smoking on a space ship?
The two scientists getting "scared" and leaving the expedition to the structure, apparently without knowing their way back to the ship, then not getting the same warning from the ship about the storm that the others got.
The entire party casually failing even to notice that David was sitting there pushing buttons, opening doors, activating things, molesting the canisters and just generally throwing caution to the wind?
Charlize Theron inexplicably agreeing to have sex with the captain, just to accomplish the plot objective of having her not see the two scientists get attacked by the snakelike creatures, and both of them simply leaving the monitor unattended? And there's not even a recording device to archive incoming messages because, later, after the geologist and the biologist have been attacked, they have to send another team in to find out what happened to them?
The two "scared" scientists being so cavalier in their interaction with the snakelike creatures?
When the geologist who had the snakelike creature go into his mouth in the structure, and had been found inside the structure, apparently dead, later suddenly appears by the ship, they immediately open the doors for him, despite the fact that he's crouched like some kind of animal on the ground and they have no idea if he's infected with something or what?
Weyland programming David to infect the research scientist with the black goo after cryptically stating "big things come from small beginnings"? Why did Weyland's desire to speak to the engineers necessitate murdering him, or the other doctor (who presumably would have died in the "pregnancy" that resulted), or the entire party (if he knew what "big thing" would come from the "small beginning", as he seemed to)?
Charlize Theron commanding the captain to return to Earth even after she knew the engineer was about to travel to Earth and destroy all life there?
The surgery device, kept in Charlize Theron's habitat, presumably for her benefit, was "only calibrated for male patients"?
The research scientists go on this expedition, and Weyland pays a trillion dollars to fund it, simply because they "choose to believe" that this moon is where the engineers come from, based on nothing but a few cave drawings?
The cave drawings apparently depict early humans worshipping the engineers, with this moon as the apparent location of focus, but this moon is just an outpost where they developed the alien xenomorphs, far away from the engineers home world? Why would this location be so special? If it was supposed to be an invitation, as the research scientists speculate, to get the humans to travel there and be exposed to the aliens via the black goo in the canisters, why would that be necessary if the engineers could simply load the canisters onto ships to take them to Earth? And why would they send this "invitation" 35,000 years ago (the date of the drawings in Scotland), then wait 33,000 years (until 2,000 years ago) to start the process of taking the canisters to Earth?
Charlize Theron and the woman research scientist running away from the crashing and rolling engineer ship by trying to outrun it instead of veering to one side out of its path, as the research scientist eventually does solely because she falls and has no option but to roll to the side out of the way?
David's insistence that the research scientists "baby" not be aborted? Why would Weyland be so determined that the fetus survive, especially since he already knew there was still one engineer alive?
This is a trillion dollar mission to make the greatest discovery in human history, and the best they can find is this rag-tag group of "scientists" who contribute nothing of any scientific value whatsoever, with one of them stating he's only there to "make money", then he and another one (a biologist who has just found a dead alien, for crying out loud) getting scared and wandering off from the expedition without even knowing their way back to the ship?
The decapitated engineer's head inexplicably exploding after being reanimated?
The woman research scientist being determined at the end to go to the engineers' home world to find out why they want to destroy life on Earth, when the engineers' mission has been either thwarted or abandoned (for 2000 years at least), not only not warning Earth but also potentially alerting the engineers that their mission had not been accomplished (if they didn't know already), or even just pissing them off by asking the question (and thus possibly inciting them to resume the mission if they had abandoned it)?
Why weren't there thousands of canisters on the ship David and the woman research doctor eventually used to escape the moon? And if there were, what did the two of them alone do to get rid of all of them so it would be safe to travel in the ship, since the canisters on the first ship apparently activated themselves as soon as the humans appeared and eventually wiped out the whole expedition?
I liked the concept of this movie. Man's search for his creator(s), not explaining why the engineers wanted to destroy us (God works in mysterious ways, etc.), man's quest to become as God leading to his destruction, and so on, but the plot and the characters were just horribly written. Seems like they spent the whole budget on special effects and none of it on screenwriters.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 12:49 am to Nuts4LSU
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Nuts4LSU
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 12:52 am to DanglingFury
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Brevity is the soul of wit.
It would be impossible to list the "confounding scenes" of this movie with brevity.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 1:01 am to Nuts4LSU
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The surgery device, kept in Charlize Theron's habitat, presumably for her benefit, was "only calibrated for male patients"?
I'm pretty sure it was for Weyland but they just stashed it in Charlize's quarters.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 8:45 pm to Nuts4LSU
bump
Posted on 6/14/12 at 8:53 pm to Burt Reynolds
why bump?
Posted on 6/14/12 at 8:54 pm to jacks40
So we can bash this shite out of this movie some more
frick Damon Lindelof
frick Damon Lindelof
Posted on 6/15/12 at 7:11 am to Nuts4LSU
I am very bored. I'll try and answer Nuts4LSU's questions.
They were being paid a good deal of money almost assuredly given the circumstances. Accepting a job without knowing all the details also explains why most of them weren't exactly the best and the brightest.
No doubt, he's an idiot. Others were rightfully protesting, but couldn't stop him.
His main goal the entire time was to talk with them. Finding out that would never happen he self-medicated. Idiots do this with alcohol.
This was trying to show you what type of character/person he was, nothing more. It's not a stretch to believe this ship could filter it out.
They got the message but were lost. Seems like they would have some sort of digital map to show them the way back though. People do dumb things when they are scared including running.
This is somewhat central to the plot in that the humans did not respect or really acknowledge the android/robot. Maybe taken to extremes in this situation though.
People screw. And if Charlize was DTF I would probably drop whatever I was doing too. I believe they had video but they evidently had to record it from the ship. The sex part was to get them to leave the bridge no doubt. Again I wouldn't pass that up.
The biologist became interested. This makes sense given his profession and reason for being there. The geologist was very scared during the interaction with the worm/eel and protests messing with it.
The geologist fell in the black goo and died right? The biologist had the snake in his mouth I believe. They didn't have a visual on the geologist, they just had his tracking beacon or whatever saying he was outside the ship.
The entire movie showed that David was developing emotions and was acting on his own at the time he poisoned the scientist. Weyland wanted to talk to the 'engineers' to save his own life. David had a different agenda of destroying humans.
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The entire team (save Charlize Theron and the two research doctors), going on this mission without any clue what the mission is about?
They were being paid a good deal of money almost assuredly given the circumstances. Accepting a job without knowing all the details also explains why most of them weren't exactly the best and the brightest.
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The research scientist carelessly removing his helmet as soon as they think the air is breathable in the structure. What scientist on an alien world would do this?
No doubt, he's an idiot. Others were rightfully protesting, but couldn't stop him.
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The research scientist essentially giving up and getting drunk as soon as they found one dead engineer? After spending years painstakingly studying ancient cave drawings for clues about them, he actually finds their outpost and a freaking dead one on the scene and just loses interest without even completely exploring the structure to see if there are any still alive, or what clues about them may be found there?
His main goal the entire time was to talk with them. Finding out that would never happen he self-medicated. Idiots do this with alcohol.
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The captain smoking on a space ship?
This was trying to show you what type of character/person he was, nothing more. It's not a stretch to believe this ship could filter it out.
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The two scientists getting "scared" and leaving the expedition to the structure, apparently without knowing their way back to the ship, then not getting the same warning from the ship about the storm that the others got.
They got the message but were lost. Seems like they would have some sort of digital map to show them the way back though. People do dumb things when they are scared including running.
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The entire party casually failing even to notice that David was sitting there pushing buttons, opening doors, activating things, molesting the canisters and just generally throwing caution to the wind?
This is somewhat central to the plot in that the humans did not respect or really acknowledge the android/robot. Maybe taken to extremes in this situation though.
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Charlize Theron inexplicably agreeing to have sex with the captain, just to accomplish the plot objective of having her not see the two scientists get attacked by the snakelike creatures, and both of them simply leaving the monitor unattended? And there's not even a recording device to archive incoming messages because, later, after the geologist and the biologist have been attacked, they have to send another team in to find out what happened to them?
People screw. And if Charlize was DTF I would probably drop whatever I was doing too. I believe they had video but they evidently had to record it from the ship. The sex part was to get them to leave the bridge no doubt. Again I wouldn't pass that up.
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The two "scared" scientists being so cavalier in their interaction with the snakelike creatures?
The biologist became interested. This makes sense given his profession and reason for being there. The geologist was very scared during the interaction with the worm/eel and protests messing with it.
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When the geologist who had the snakelike creature go into his mouth in the structure, and had been found inside the structure, apparently dead, later suddenly appears by the ship, they immediately open the doors for him, despite the fact that he's crouched like some kind of animal on the ground and they have no idea if he's infected with something or what?
The geologist fell in the black goo and died right? The biologist had the snake in his mouth I believe. They didn't have a visual on the geologist, they just had his tracking beacon or whatever saying he was outside the ship.
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Weyland programming David to infect the research scientist with the black goo after cryptically stating "big things come from small beginnings"? Why did Weyland's desire to speak to the engineers necessitate murdering him, or the other doctor (who presumably would have died in the "pregnancy" that resulted), or the entire party (if he knew what "big thing" would come from the "small beginning", as he seemed to)?
The entire movie showed that David was developing emotions and was acting on his own at the time he poisoned the scientist. Weyland wanted to talk to the 'engineers' to save his own life. David had a different agenda of destroying humans.
Posted on 6/15/12 at 7:11 am to Nuts4LSU
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The research scientists go on this expedition, and Weyland pays a trillion dollars to fund it, simply because they "choose to believe" that this moon is where the engineers come from, based on nothing but a few cave drawings?
Weyland looked pretty close to dead. This was likely the best he had to go on. If he had something better he would have done that instead.
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The cave drawings apparently depict early humans worshipping the engineers, with this moon as the apparent location of focus, but this moon is just an outpost where they developed the alien xenomorphs, far away from the engineers home world? Why would this location be so special? If it was supposed to be an invitation, as the research scientists speculate, to get the humans to travel there and be exposed to the aliens via the black goo in the canisters, why would that be necessary if the engineers could simply load the canisters onto ships to take them to Earth? And why would they send this "invitation" 35,000 years ago (the date of the drawings in Scotland), then wait 33,000 years (until 2,000 years ago) to start the process of taking the canisters to Earth?
The lady scientist even says something to the effect of "We were wrong, we were so wrong" thinking it was an invitation. I need to look more on the invitation part though as some of it is unclear to me at this time. It might have been some neutral area to call the humans that turned into the place to develop the goo. They only decided to kill the humans 2000 years previous after they were no longer worshiped by them and people were turning to false gods on Earth (primarily Christianity).
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Charlize Theron and the woman research scientist running away from the crashing and rolling engineer ship by trying to outrun it instead of veering to one side out of its path, as the research scientist eventually does solely because she falls and has no option but to roll to the side out of the way?
Can't dispute this one. This is undoubtedly the worst part of the movie for me. I can think of about 10 better ways to kill her off the top of my head.
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David's insistence that the research scientists "baby" not be aborted? Why would Weyland be so determined that the fetus survive, especially since he already knew there was still one engineer alive?
I believe David was acting on his own. He stated he wanted her to go into Cryo so it could be dealt with back on Earth. He wanted to kill the humans.
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The decapitated engineer's head inexplicably exploding after being reanimated?
I don't know the physiology of the engineers, but whatever they did caused it to explode. I don't find anything wrong with this.
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The woman research scientist being determined at the end to go to the engineers' home world to find out why they want to destroy life on Earth, when the engineers' mission has been either thwarted or abandoned (for 2000 years at least), not only not warning Earth but also potentially alerting the engineers that their mission had not been accomplished (if they didn't know already), or even just pissing them off by asking the question (and thus possibly inciting them to resume the mission if they had abandoned it)?
The main goal of the couple scientist was to talk with the engineers. This instance just stays in line with her character.
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Why weren't there thousands of canisters on the ship David and the woman research doctor eventually used to escape the moon? And if there were, what did the two of them alone do to get rid of all of them so it would be safe to travel in the ship, since the canisters on the first ship apparently activated themselves as soon as the humans appeared and eventually wiped out the whole expedition?
They only activated when in their presence. The door evidently shielded them from it. Once that was opened on the first ship all the canisters started bubbling up and activating. Much like in Alien when Kane or whatever his name was stepped up to the facesucker pod thing.
Posted on 6/15/12 at 7:13 am to Hand of Justice
Don't you see something wrong with a film that takes two posts that long to explain only a handful of wtf moments?
Posted on 6/15/12 at 7:19 am to Lacour
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Don't you see something wrong with a film that takes two posts that long to explain only a handful of wtf moments?
On the other hand, some of this stuff really shouldn't need that much explaining because this is supposed to be an entertaining sci-fi/horror flick.
See: mattchewbocca's Movie Lovers thread on the Movie/TV Board
Posted on 6/15/12 at 7:21 am to Nuts4LSU
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Charlize Theron commanding the captain to return to Earth even after she knew the engineer was about to travel to Earth and destroy all life there?
Her only mission was to see Weyland to the engineers. Once he was dead it was time to go. She was basically evil and self-centered the entire time so her wanting to leave and avoid death in the moment at any cost is completely in line with her character.
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The surgery device, kept in Charlize Theron's habitat, presumably for her benefit, was "only calibrated for male patients"?
This was for Weyland, not her. Included to hopefully keep him alive if they had to escape on the pod. I hope they just assumed she wouldn't need it due to her age or she was merely expendable like the rest and not because she was an android because that would lead to some possibly unanswerable questions during the movie.
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