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re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:37 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:37 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Ok but Why would she be left alone in the past though? Isn't there supposed to be a good guy(teddy) there to protect the damsel in distress?
Teddy is not there to protect her. Delores has wanderlust and, left on her own, she'll go off loop. That's the importance of that scene where Teddy says they'll leave and get away from the ranch "someday". She constantly wants to leave and Teddy is placating her by making vague promises. She stays on her loop waiting for Teddy.
I'm pretty sure that something goes very fricking pear shaped at the end of Delores' journey with William/Logan and Teddy was introduced after those events to keep Delores on her rancher's daughter loop and also to die if a guest wants to test the gunslinger before killing Delores' family and raping her. Ford directly tells Teddy that right before he uploads the Wyatt narrative into Teddy. The only question is when Teddy was introduced and I don't think we've ever seen him contemporaneous with William and Logan.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 11:39 am
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:39 am to hiltacular
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I think Ford is still hiding a few things.
Yeah, he shows that picture of his young self to Bernard, the host copy of his father made by Arnold (presumably the picture is to commemorate that gift), and Arnold - and, again, I'm spitballing, but this may be an error-checking test he does. He always asks Bernard, "You weren't around then, were you?" also as a test to see if he remembers/ is aware of Arnold.
So, if he shows that picture to others who know Bernard, the jig would be up as they say. So, that's very calculating. Ford is not someone who leaves things to chance. His absolute control over the park is almost another character simmering below the surface. We saw it when he warned Teresa. We saw it in the scene with MiB and Teddy. We saw it when he turned the tables on Bernard with Clem.
So, that's the mythology going forward - Ford is the "god" of this world, for all practical purposes. The mortals (guests and hosts alike) are just trying to sort all that out.
(ETA: Or is this the reversal? In this reality, the devil - Ford - defeated God - Arnold - instead of the more traditional narrative.
)This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:42 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Why would she be left alone in the past though? Isn't there supposed to be a good guy(teddy) there to protect the damsel in distress?
I don't think Teddy existed in William's time frame. Remember that scene where Teddy hands Dolores the can she drops in Sweetwater? In William's time frame, it is William that hands her the can.
Please continue your melt though. I'm getting a kick out of it.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:44 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I just wish the writers wouldn't leave some pretty obvious loopholes for the sake of trying to pull a gotcha later in the season.
Okay, let's do this. In one post point out your "loopholes" and I will answer your questions for you. I don't have time to go back and read this entire thread and honestly your post are hard to read anyways.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:51 am to Ace Midnight
Something I've been wanting to dive into for awhile is can ford backdoor into mauve or is she past that?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:10 pm to hiltacular
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I think Ford is still hiding a few things
I think we may see a battle of the back-doors. It seems that Ford's back doors are more direct and coded, while Arnold's are more organic and maze-based. Probably a parallel to their old conflict staged in the present day.
Conflicts to be resolved:
Ford v Arnold
Ford v Delos
MIB v Ford
William v Logan
Maeve v Westworld (Delos?)
Dolores v herself
Am I missing any? Surely some of these will be an over-arching theme of the whole series, and won't be wrapped up Sunday.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:16 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Something I've been wanting to dive into for awhile is can ford backdoor into mauve or is she past that?
Maeve.
I can't wait for that either. Clearly, she learned some of Ford's godlike powers on her own. She was doing the third-person narration rewrites before the show had Ford do it to Bernard to point out the ability wasn't something that Maeve made up or created on her own; that capability was already there and built into the hosts. She just stumbled upon it and discovered it was there and that she could use it.
It'll be interesting to see if she gets into a test of wills with Ford.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:25 pm to Ace Midnight
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(ETA: Or is this the reversal? In this reality, the devil - Ford - defeated God - Arnold - instead of the more traditional narrative. )
Arnold seems to be the one tempting them, but could that also be a trick by Ford?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:27 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Something I've been wanting to dive into for awhile is can ford backdoor into mauve or is she past that?
I'd like to backdoor into her, that's for sure.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:28 pm to Socrates Johnson
Hail Mary: Arnold = MIB
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:40 pm to Jester
Not theories, conflicts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:01 pm to Socrates Johnson
I do what I want.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:04 pm to Socrates Johnson
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Am I missing any?
Although scripted, I think Teddy vs. Himself and Teddy vs. Wyatt are also brewing conflicts.
Now, if the theories turn out to be valid that Ford is basing his Wyatt backstory on "the incident" and that the shooters was (were) Delores (and perhaps Teddy), then it could come down to Teddy (as Ford's primary agent) vs. Delores (Arnold's) with MiB as the "human" deciding vote or man in the middle.
The show is definitely layered like an onion.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:18 pm to Ace Midnight
I think Teddy's dead. I thought of the "you're not ready for Wyatt" thing as him reaching a dead-end in the maze to help explain Dolores' flashbacks and re-living experiences.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:33 pm to Socrates Johnson
But remember she says maybe in the next life before she kills him. So it's almost as if wyatts followers know teddy will come back
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:35 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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wyatts followers know teddy will come back
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:40 pm to Socrates Johnson
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I think Teddy's dead.
Teddy's a host, baw.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:48 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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But remember she says maybe in the next life
Exactly why I think it's showing us the Sisyphusian nature of the maze journey. A "sum of a man's experiences," if you will.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:50 pm to Ace Midnight
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Teddy's a host, baw.
Excuse me. I know. I meant, Teddy's part in our show is done.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:55 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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But remember she says maybe in the next life before she kills him.
Angela was the first host we saw that absolutely, unambiguously knew she was a host and we knew that she knew.
The rest who are even remotely self-aware were at least conflicted initially (Maeve and Bernard) OR may have been willfully concealing this knowledge (Delores). In Abernathy's case it drove him mad.
Which reminds me, I wonder if we're going to see Logan's sister/William's wife back in the day - is she filling the role of Helen, metaphorically launching a thousand ships?
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 1:56 pm
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