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re: Which is the better trilogy?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:10 pm to Muppet
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:10 pm to Muppet
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It seems that your criticism is directed at George Lucas rather than the film.
He's the biggest problem to be sure, but my qualms are far larger than that. Take Luke's plan to get Han. First he deliberately gets C3PO and R2D2 captured for no real reason, then he deliberately gets Chewie captured for no reason. So if everything goes to plan, Luke now has to bust 4 people out now instead of 1. So going on, Leia then gets captured after giving them Chewie (so now 5 have to be rescued), and then Luke finally comes in and is captured himself. And then in the end R2 just happens to launch out his lightsaber? So was Luke just planning on getting captured as well and then planning on killing everyone? Why didn't Luke just go there by himself from the start, tell Jabba to give him Han, and then kill as many people as it took for him to say yes. I know you're saying that would be very un-Jedilike to do something like this, but thats basically what Luke does in the end after getting 6 people captured. And I'm just getting started with this flick.
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:25 pm to MadMaxwell
quote:This. Take out the gay hobbit scenes, and LOTR gets a bit closer.
Star Wars has this by a mile.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:40 pm to OMLandshark
quote:There was definitely a reason. He sent R2D2 to deliver the message and C3PO to translate to get R2D2 in.
First he deliberately gets C3PO and R2D2 captured for no real reason
quote:That was the only way that Leia could get close enough to deactivate Han's carbonite prison. They needed Jabba to at least allow her a small bit of freedom in his palace.
he deliberately gets Chewie captured for no reason.
quote:I don't think his plan was to get captured. If you watch the scene where he falls into the rancor pit, just before the trap door is released, he force pull a gun to himself in order to shoot Jabba.
So was Luke just planning on getting captured as well and then planning on killing everyone?
I have no idea why he didn't just use his lightsaber, but I'm guessing that was his backup plan. He obviously had something planned with Lando Calrissian.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
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1. LOTR 2. Back to the Future
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:22 pm to Scruffy
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There was definitely a reason. He sent R2D2 to deliver the message and C3PO to translate to get R2D2 in.
And what was the reason for that? Why not personally show up and deliver the message?
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That was the only way that Leia could get close enough to deactivate Han's carbonite prison. They needed Jabba to at least allow her a small bit of freedom in his palace.
Why did they need to send Leia in to free Han? Seems like she'd be better off being somewhere leading the rebellion while Luke goes in and reeks havoc.
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I don't think his plan was to get captured.
Then why pack his lightsaber in R2? Plus what if Jabba forced R2 to stay behind at the palace while Luke and the others are killed? What's R2 going to do about it? Shock someone?
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If you watch the scene where he falls into the rancor pit, just before the trap door is released, he force pull a gun to himself in order to shoot Jabba.
Why wouldn't he just bring in his lightsaber? The Rancor would have not stood much of a chance if Luke had his lightsaber, then he could have cut his way through the dugeons and made it to kill Jabba fairly easily, and then get Han.
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He obviously had something planned with Lando Calrissian.
Speaking of, what was he there for?
But do you see what I'm saying on this being the dumbest plan ever?
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:32 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Redemption?
Speaking of, what was he there for?
quote:Although I do agree that it isn't the greatest plan, I would like to clarify that the Jedi from the original trilogy are nothing like the jedi in the new shitty trilogy.
But do you see what I'm saying on this being the dumbest plan ever?
IMO, the reason Luke didn't just run up in there lightsaber a swingin, was because he knew he would die. That is why he put together the most complicated plan ever.
He got Jabba and his guards out in the open, created a larger battlefield, and made it easier to battle them. If you read the book Shadows of the Empire," which tells the story between Empire Strikes Back and ROJ, it shows how Luke does not have full control of his jedi powers.
I don't think he would be considered a full jedi when he went to Jabba's palace, and I think he knew that.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:40 pm to Scruffy
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He got Jabba and his guards out in the open, created a larger battlefield, and made it easier to battle them.
I'm just wondering how he could have accounted for everything? Whose to say Jabba wouldn't just shoot him? Or feed him to a Rancor, which he barely made it out of there alive? Or even bring R2 onto the ship? Since when has R2 been a cocktail waiter?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:44 pm to OMLandshark
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Whose to say Jabba wouldn't just shoot him? Or feed him to a Rancor, which he barely made it out of there alive? Or even bring R2 onto the ship? Since when has R2 been a cocktail waiter?
Buddy, it is a movie. You could do this with any movie. I didn't read this whole thread, but did a Star Wars fan piss in your LOTR cereal?
I'm not even a fan of ROJ. It is the worst of the series. Empire is the best followed by New Hope and the ROJ.
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:52 pm to Scruffy
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You could do this with any movie.
:inb4notwithLOTR:
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:55 pm to Scruffy
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Buddy, it is a movie. You could do this with any movie.
I can't do this with the first two, aside from maybe the fact that Luke seems like he's with Yoda for weeks and Han's storyline seems like it takes place in like 36 hours, but I'll let that slide.
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I didn't read this whole thread, but did a Star Wars fan piss in your LOTR cereal?
I love Star Wars, and would classify myself as a Star Wars nerd honestly, I just don't think it has the quality Lord of the Rings does. Star Wars was certainly more influential and important, that's undeniable, I just think Lord of the Rings is a higher quality trilogy.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:58 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I can agree with this. I like Star Wars more than I like LOTR, but I know quality when I see it.
I just think Lord of the Rings is a higher quality trilogy.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 12:02 am to Scruffy
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I can agree with this. I like Star Wars more than I like LOTR, but I know quality when I see it.
+1
However, LOTR did do a few things poorly, such as the explanation of the rings of power. For example, the movies didn't make it very clear on why Sauron's original plan failed.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 12:12 am to LSUTigerfaninHtown
quote:Yea, and I have to say, I really did not like the final battle. I know the ghost army was in the book, but I didn't like how it was done.
For example, the movies didn't make it very clear on why Sauron's original plan failed.
The Two Towers was a far better movie than Return of the King.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 12:51 am to Scruffy
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For example, the movies didn't make it very clear on why Sauron's original plan failed
didn't it show the king of gondor cutting off sauron's finger which had the ring on it, and when he was going to throw it into the fire in mount doom, the ring took over and he kept it.
I believe by cutting off sauron's ring finger it temporarily took his power and body reducing him to a spirit/soul whatever you want to call it and then it took time for him to regain power and an army.
I could be wrong maybe reading to much into the story that the old elf master told aragone when they were looking at the broken pieces of the sword of gondor. Been awhile since I seen LOTR fellowship of the ring.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 1:03 am to bulldog95
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didn't it show the king of gondor cutting off sauron's finger which had the ring on it
Yes, it did. However, it did not show why Sauron's plan to control the races of Middle-Earth did not succeed. Why wasn't he able to control them through their leaders, as he planned?
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 1:04 am
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